TRUMP, What the hell is going on

Lord Tyrion

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Could be a separate thread but what is Trump doing with Israel/ Palastine. Looked more smarmy than normal this week when in Israel. The conflict will never be settled with The Israelis continually taking more land and Trump ploughing in $50 billion. He has also ’ sorted/recognised ‘Jerusalem as the capital. Unbelievable guy

Perhaps some of the more learned people on here would care to predict the likely outcome
To a large degree it depends on how much fight the Palestinians have left in them. They have lost badly in recent uprisings so the desire to go fully down the violent route may not be so great. Whilst they may not accept the deal, it may simply be imposed and they will have no way of reversing it. All very sad.
 
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To a large degree it depends on how much fight the Palestinians have left in them. They have lost badly in recent uprisings so the desire to go fully down the violent route may not be so great. Whilst they may not accept the deal, it may simply be imposed and they will have no way of reversing it. All very sad.
If you , your parents, your grandparents and all down the years had fought tooth and nail - and died - for something you really believed in - that you believed was your right - it is not easy to walk away from that belief and pocket the money - knowing that you might be giving up the fight forever - that you are accepting that your 'enemies' have won. And what would your forefathers think of that!
 

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If you , your parents, your grandparents and all down the years had fought tooth and nail - and died - for something you really believed in - that you believed was your right - it is not easy to walk away from that belief and pocket the money - knowing that you might be giving up the fight forever - that you are accepting that your 'enemies' have won. And what would your forefathers think of that!
It is not a fair fight though is it? The Isreali army is one of the best armed around and the Palestinians have what? How many times do they stand against bullets and missiles with stones in their hands. All very noble but dead is dead.

In the past the gap between the two was perhaps not so great, clearly the groups linked to the Palestinians have some arms, but now the imbalance is huge, the fight is too one sided.
 
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And so as we head towards Trump's acquittal - I listened to Laurence Tribe - Harvard Law School Constitutional Professor - on the GOP senators and the implications of their vote for the future of the presidency - and how they will be viewed.

 
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It is not a fair fight though is it? The Isreali army is one of the best armed around and the Palestinians have what? How many times do they stand against bullets and missiles with stones in their hands. All very noble but dead is dead.

In the past the gap between the two was perhaps not so great, clearly the groups linked to the Palestinians have some arms, but now the imbalance is huge, the fight is too one sided.
Yes it is - and of course the Palestinians know that - but as we know - feelings often trump fact.
 

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It is not a fair fight though is it? The Isreali army is one of the best armed around and the Palestinians have what? How many times do they stand against bullets and missiles with stones in their hands. All very noble but dead is dead.

In the past the gap between the two was perhaps not so great, clearly the groups linked to the Palestinians have some arms, but now the imbalance is huge, the fight is too one sided.
Sadly too many people see it as “Israel, sovereign nation. Palestine, terrorists.”

For many people, simply saying you’re on Palestine’s side makes you antisemitic.
 
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Absolute farce of a "trial". I stopped watching cause it's a joke and will be a massive blight upon the democracy of the US.
I must admit that though I am very interested - just listening to Trump’s defence lawyers make such spurious arguments I find depressing. And listening to basically all gop senators squirm, avoid and deflect is also really depressing - but the Harvard prof just tells it. Of course Fox News viewers will just be seeing the Trump view and nothing about the reality. But interesting that Mitch McConnell can’t guarantee he will get enough gop senator votes to prevent John Bolton from testifying...now that might not stop Trump being acquitted but it will sure put the gop senators in an awkward place.
 
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No real surprise - though Sen Alexander’s statement when deciding to not support witnesses would not please Trump hugely.

The letter from Lev Parnas’ lawyer to Mitch McConnell might make interesting reading for a bundle of Trump’s team and most supportive senators - Graham and Nunes included.
 

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The day he leaves office in a year or in 5, there will be court cases on mass.
Against him, against Rudy, and others where he would be able to give a pardon to now but can’t then.
 
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Trump acquitted - and of course the WH claims that Trump is fully exonerated. Kudos to Mitt Romney for explaining why Trump may have been acquitted, but has absolutely not been fully exonerated. But then I am guessing that Fox News coverage and reporting of the Mitt Romney statement may be someone limited. Just guessing.
 
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No surprise at all henwas always going to be acquitted. All that's happened now is millions of dollars wasted with the trial and like helped him get reelected for another term as his supporters will use it to their advantage.
Not wasted, as his misdemeanors are recorded for posterity - and that at least one GOP Senator could not in all conscience go along with it.

That Trump was guilty of misdemeanors few disagree - just that many GOP Senators tell us that these misdemeanors did not merit being kicked out of office - especially at this point fairly close to a presidential election.
 

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Not wasted, as his misdemeanors are recorded for posterity - and that at least one GOP Senator could not in all conscience go along with it.

That Trump was guilty of misdemeanors few disagree - just that many GOP Senators tell us that these misdemeanors did not merit being kicked out of office - especially at this point fairly close to a presidential election.
Posterity isn't going to stop the man being POTUS, gaining a 2nd term and has enhanced him to his supporters. All those misdemeanors werr already known.
 
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Posterity isn't going to stop the man being POTUS, gaining a 2nd term and has enhanced him to his supporters. All those misdemeanors werr already known.
All of which may be true - excepting perhaps the last point - as many of his core supporters will not have had set out what he did in the context of wrongdoing - and many will not see or hear GOP senators speak of what he did as being wrong. They will hear the tailored versions they provide for Fox News...
 

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If they’d managed to impeach much earlier in his tenure more GOP would’ve been more likely to vote to remove him, knowing they had time to solidify Pence as the President and improve things before the next election. In my opinion.
 
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If they’d managed to impeach much earlier in his tenure more GOP would’ve been more likely to vote to remove him, knowing they had time to solidify Pence as the President and improve things before the next election. In my opinion.
Which may well be true - though if you listen to GOP Senator Lamar Alexander you will hear the rather lame excuse along the lines of 'yes he did it - but...well - Trump may not have realised that he could not do it...'

And that then makes it an 'honest' mistake (LOL), and according to Susan Collins (GOP Senator Maine) one that she believes Trump will learn from - though she later tweeted that she 'hoped' rather than 'believed', given how her initial comment was received with howls of laughter...Trump learn from this? yes - he'll learn from it alright - that he can do pretty much whatever he wants between now and November's election and get away with it.
 
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Heard initial comments from Trump on being acquitted - and just wondering if he realises just how full of confected self-pity he sounds...

Waiting to hear what he says very shortly...

I have no doubt the Dems will take a pasting over how they have undermined the standing and security of the United States...

...and Mitt Romney? Maybe he'll get trashed by tweet.
 
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