Subscriptions/current course closures - what is your club doing?

Papas1982

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Had a chat with a member of my last club. What do you make of this:-

About 20 of the group I was associated with are on this furlough thing or are self employed have contacted the club to ask for reductions in fees / membership from point of joining in stead of April all have been told, nope, full membership or nothing pay now. So they have all decided to leave. This is really sad, as, in my opinion, they are the lads who provide the mid range golfers "crack". One in particular was the chief organiser of the group and was down at the club to plead his case to the club, was told nothing doing. So emptied his locker and vowed never to return. MASSIVE LOSS to the club. I hope I'm getting though here. The losses will be huge. Not just financial, but socially as well. They were the group who welcomed the hackers, jesus they even let me join them. God this is very sad. But why is the club that pleads that they are skint EVERY YEAR, now in thier hour of great need, you would think, are basically turning away money by refusing to deal? 20 x £800 is a lot of money to try and claw back. Especially with a club 2 miles down the road offering membership at £475 12 months from time of joining. Why do you think ? Sniffs air....bit funny to me.
If they allow it for some, they have to do so for all. For some furlough will cause real financial issues. If for example they're on big money they will be losing loads. If they are on around the cut off level then furlough won't be costing them too mush with lack of travel and a few sensible cuts (golf maybe).

Add in the fact that if they're furloughed they are likely able to play even more and i find it hard to feel they're being unfairly treated. The sceptic in me see's it as a group trying to blag something.
 

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If they allow it for some, they have to do so for all. For some furlough will cause real financial issues. If for example they're on big money they will be losing loads. If they are on around the cut off level then furlough won't be costing them too mush with lack of travel and a few sensible cuts (golf maybe).

Add in the fact that if they're furloughed they are likely able to play even more and i find it hard to feel they're being unfairly treated. The sceptic in me see's it as a group trying to blag something.
Regarding furlough and not costing people too much...the other side to remember is the uncertainty of being furloughed. Yes, it might seem ok at the minute with reduced outgoings and time off to play lots of golf. But it’s the uncertainty that’s a worry. Will the job be there in 2 months time? So many jobs will be lost through the approaching recession and so to me it’s understandable that these members are asking for help.
 

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Regarding furlough and not costing people too much...the other side to remember is the uncertainty of being furloughed. Yes, it might seem ok at the minute with reduced outgoings and time off to play lots of golf. But it’s the uncertainty that’s a worry. Will the job be there in 2 months time? So many jobs will be lost through the approaching recession and so to me it’s understandable that these members are asking for help.
Thats very true, but if they have genuine concern the company they work for will lay them off, is it realistic to expect another company (golf club) to undervalue its resource?
 

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I guess I look at this situation in 2 ways. The first is that if the club agrees this for one group of people, they need to offer it across the board. I guess exceptions could be made if evidence could be shown of short term financial hardship but, if things were that tight, why would you be paying a golf membership afterwards rather than suring up your finances.

The other way to look at it is that membership does appear to be a one way street. Many clubs saying 'please pay your membership, we need your help and your money even though we cannot offer you any golf for the time being' but, with the shoe on the other foot, how many clubs are willing to waive fees for a period or to allow a payment holiday for members who have fallen on harder times.
 

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Agree with the above. If it’s a members club, they can’t have it both ways with their ‘special’business model. Loyalty works 2 ways.
Also if 20 fellas wanted to join they’d definitely get a deal, why not a deal to stay?
 

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I guess I look at this situation in 2 ways. The first is that if the club agrees this for one group of people, they need to offer it across the board. I guess exceptions could be made if evidence could be shown of short term financial hardship but, if things were that tight, why would you be paying a golf membership afterwards rather than suring up your finances.

The other way to look at it is that membership does appear to be a one way street. Many clubs saying 'please pay your membership, we need your help and your money even though we cannot offer you any golf for the time being' but, with the shoe on the other foot, how many clubs are willing to waive fees for a period or to allow a payment holiday for members who have fallen on harder times.
I think a lot of clubs will be struggling and I agree it seems a one-way street. Give us your money even though we can't offer value for that money invested. I do think unless a lot of clubs can get creative and attract new membership, especially without society or green fee revenue they will go out of business. Is that necessarily a bad thing? For a lot of golfers finding the annual subs is a big investment and so they need value for money and if other clubs nearby can offer that where is the incentive to stay
 

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€200 voucher for green fee/club/trolley hire .
Sub now runs april to march instead of jan to dec
Nice touch realy doesnt cost club much if anything at all
 

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News & rumours circulating that a nearby [former] club has lost 300+ members and are down to around 550😳

Many didn’t renew after requests for discounts and/or delays & deals were scoffed at, many stopped their direct debits so there’s been a mass exodus!

Apparently the course wasn’t great after the wet winter and they were much later getting back open and then we’re playing in a quagmire, then the lockdown happened which just exaggerated the problems and disgruntles.

Allegedly it’s been stated that anyone who didn’t renew or stopped their direct debits have essentially left the club, hence the 300+ being reported, and it’s been stated they will all have to reapply and pay a fee to rejoin!

Quite the opposite at my club, everyone has been 100% supportive.
 

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Had a chat with a member of my last club. What do you make of this:-

About 20 of the group I was associated with are on this furlough thing or are self employed have contacted the club to ask for reductions in fees / membership from point of joining in stead of April all have been told, nope, full membership or nothing pay now. So they have all decided to leave. This is really sad, as, in my opinion, they are the lads who provide the mid range golfers "crack". One in particular was the chief organiser of the group and was down at the club to plead his case to the club, was told nothing doing. So emptied his locker and vowed never to return. MASSIVE LOSS to the club. I hope I'm getting though here. The losses will be huge. Not just financial, but socially as well. They were the group who welcomed the hackers, jesus they even let me join them. God this is very sad. But why is the club that pleads that they are skint EVERY YEAR, now in thier hour of great need, you would think, are basically turning away money by refusing to deal? 20 x £800 is a lot of money to try and claw back. Especially with a club 2 miles down the road offering membership at £475 12 months from time of joining. Why do you think ? Sniffs air....bit funny to me.
There is a Club in East Cheshire where for around £500 you can also play at their 9 hole Course and other 18 hole one on the Wirral, I know they would welcome any group of such people.
 

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News & rumours circulating that a nearby [former] club has lost 300+ members and are down to around 550😳

Many didn’t renew after requests for discounts and/or delays & deals were scoffed at, many stopped their direct debits so there’s been a mass exodus!

Apparently the course wasn’t great after the wet winter and they were much later getting back open and then we’re playing in a quagmire, then the lockdown happened which just exaggerated the problems and disgruntles.

Allegedly it’s been stated that anyone who didn’t renew or stopped their direct debits have essentially left the club, hence the 300+ being reported, and it’s been stated they will all have to reapply and pay a fee to rejoin!

Quite the opposite at my club, everyone has been 100% supportive.

They've lost over 300 members
But still have 550
Wow...!!

That was a huge membership
I'd have hated to be a member somewhere like that with over 850 members, must be nightmare getting a game

Latest club only has about 280, I'd say only a handful have 500+ members up here
 

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Crazyface said:
"Had a chat with a member of my last club. What do you make of this:-

About 20 of the group I was associated with are on this furlough thing or are self employed have contacted the club to ask for reductions in fees / membership from point of joining in stead of April all have been told, nope, full membership or nothing pay now. So they have all decided to leave. This is really sad, as, in my opinion, they are the lads who provide the mid range golfers "crack". One in particular was the chief organiser of the group and was down at the club to plead his case to the club, was told nothing doing. So emptied his locker and vowed never to return. MASSIVE LOSS to the club. I hope I'm getting though here. The losses will be huge. Not just financial, but socially as well. They were the group who welcomed the hackers, jesus they even let me join them. God this is very sad. But why is the club that pleads that they are skint EVERY YEAR, now in thier hour of great need, you would think, are basically turning away money by refusing to deal? 20 x £800 is a lot of money to try and claw back. Especially with a club 2 miles down the road offering membership at £475 12 months from time of joining. Why do you think ? Sniffs air....bit funny to me."

HS "What's your take then? "

Er....well I've had a VERY long chat with another member there, a very good mate actually, and.er one reason was they actually didn't want this person at the club, for reasons that I didn't know about, but had suspicions. So there you go, one view from one, and another view from another. It sounds like they have lost a few, but had enough members paying up at renewal time as they knew if they didn't the club would now be gone.

Lesson learnt.....
 

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They've lost over 300 members
But still have 550
Wow...!!

That was a huge membership
I'd have hated to be a member somewhere like that with over 850 members, must be nightmare getting a game

Latest club only has about 280, I'd say only a handful have 500+ members up here
Most clubs around here are circa 750 - 1,000, I know we’re close to the latter.

It’s all about balance then between 5-day & 7-day, and those that are mainly social golfers who only play late afternoons in the week and/or at the weekends, plus many seniors are 5-day, ladies don’t play on Saturdays and juniors don’t either.

Even with that high a total membership, the ‘active’ competitive golfers are limited, our medal & board comps attract a field of around 180.

So it’s not a big number tbh.
 

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Crazyface said:
"Had a chat with a member of my last club. What do you make of this:-

About 20 of the group I was associated with are on this furlough thing or are self employed have contacted the club to ask for reductions in fees / membership from point of joining in stead of April all have been told, nope, full membership or nothing pay now. So they have all decided to leave. This is really sad, as, in my opinion, they are the lads who provide the mid range golfers "crack". One in particular was the chief organiser of the group and was down at the club to plead his case to the club, was told nothing doing. So emptied his locker and vowed never to return. MASSIVE LOSS to the club. I hope I'm getting though here. The losses will be huge. Not just financial, but socially as well. They were the group who welcomed the hackers, jesus they even let me join them. God this is very sad. But why is the club that pleads that they are skint EVERY YEAR, now in thier hour of great need, you would think, are basically turning away money by refusing to deal? 20 x £800 is a lot of money to try and claw back. Especially with a club 2 miles down the road offering membership at £475 12 months from time of joining. Why do you think ? Sniffs air....bit funny to me."

HS "What's your take then? "

Er....well I've had a VERY long chat with another member there, a very good mate actually, and.er one reason was they actually didn't want this person at the club, for reasons that I didn't know about, but had suspicions. So there you go, one view from one, and another view from another. It sounds like they have lost a few, but had enough members paying up at renewal time as they knew if they didn't the club would now be gone.

Lesson learnt.....
Like you say not everything is as clear cut as it seems but in the grand scheme of things if you are getting most paying up and can get a few local nomads desperate to play regularly then happy days
 

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Most clubs around here are circa 750 - 1,000, I know we’re close to the latter.

It’s all about balance then between 5-day & 7-day, and those that are mainly social golfers who only play late afternoons in the week and/or at the weekends, plus many seniors are 5-day, ladies don’t play on Saturdays and juniors don’t either.

Even with that high a total membership, the ‘active’ competitive golfers are limited, our medal & board comps attract a field of around 180.

So it’s not a big number tbh.
Do these clubs have just the one course ? That’s a lot of members just for one course
 

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Having up to 1000 members is fairly common place, even here in NI, my club has 1000 members (1 course though some are house members or limited day members. I heard a small percentage have not renewed, they will now have to rejoin through the normal joining route as plenty of time and methods were given to pay. Having let the course be used for exercise it might actually work in our favour though as there have been several new enquiries for membership.
 
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We have a 2 months compensation scheme that has a number of options. You can either: A. Decide to let the club keep the 2 months subs as a donation. B. Have the value of those 2 months put on your bar card or C. Decide on a mixture of A and B.
Any members who are experiencing extreme hardship can also have their specific cases looked at for alternatives.
 

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Our club - Badgemore Park, has been excellent during the lockdown in keeping members informed of the actions that have been taken.

Now that they are able to open again, they've been very good at implementing a phased re-introduction and keeping the members safe and well within the guidelines.

Membership renewal is June 1st and the members have been offered the alternative of 1 month extra on the membership year or a top up on their bar card to compensate for the period that the course had to be closed. Very well managed I'd say.
 

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Crazyface said:
"Had a chat with a member of my last club. What do you make of this:-

About 20 of the group I was associated with are on this furlough thing or are self employed have contacted the club to ask for reductions in fees / membership from point of joining in stead of April all have been told, nope, full membership or nothing pay now. So they have all decided to leave. This is really sad, as, in my opinion, they are the lads who provide the mid range golfers "crack". One in particular was the chief organiser of the group and was down at the club to plead his case to the club, was told nothing doing. So emptied his locker and vowed never to return. MASSIVE LOSS to the club. I hope I'm getting though here. The losses will be huge. Not just financial, but socially as well. They were the group who welcomed the hackers, jesus they even let me join them. God this is very sad. But why is the club that pleads that they are skint EVERY YEAR, now in thier hour of great need, you would think, are basically turning away money by refusing to deal? 20 x £800 is a lot of money to try and claw back. Especially with a club 2 miles down the road offering membership at £475 12 months from time of joining. Why do you think ? Sniffs air....bit funny to me."

HS "What's your take then? "

Er....well I've had a VERY long chat with another member there, a very good mate actually, and.er one reason was they actually didn't want this person at the club, for reasons that I didn't know about, but had suspicions. So there you go, one view from one, and another view from another. It sounds like they have lost a few, but had enough members paying up at renewal time as they knew if they didn't the club would now be gone.

Lesson learnt.....[/QUOTE]

Club takes opportunity to rid themselves of unscrupulous members who tried to turn the crisis into an opportunity to blackmail them could be one take on it. Sounds like at least one of the 20 wasn't the model member that the club would want, but they've spared themselves the rigmarole of proving the alleged offence and accepted his resignation instead.
 

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Most clubs around here are circa 750 - 1,000, I know we’re close to the latter.
Interesting. Yorkshire has 10% of the affiliated clubs and 10% of the affiliated playing members of England Golf but there only 7 clubs with over 600 playing members.
 
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