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Some Millwall supporters.
Booing players when they took the knee ............................ really?
If you disagree with players doing it, then fine, but don't boo them just for having a different opinion.
 

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Some Millwall supporters.
Booing players when they took the knee ............................ really?
If you disagree with players doing it, then fine, but don't boo them just for having a different opinion.
I'm torn on this one. We can't allow BLM protests to go ahead unless we also allow those opposed to BLM to protest as well.

Do I think that players should be kneeling before a game? No.
Would I boo players kneeling? Absolutely not.
Do I support the political aims of the BLM movement (ie defunding the police)? No.
Do I support equality and am I against racism? Absolutely, yes.

I don't think that politics has any place in sport and as a result I don't think that BLM logos and kneeling should be allowed. I think that sport should find it's own way to show that racism is not acceptable and it needs those in charge to make sure that punishments for those found guilty are so harsh that they act as a deterrent.
 

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Double whammy of a day. Had Delhi belly all day. Had gone to the club to hit some balls and work on the putting and short game. Had just go to the practice ground and had an urgent need to return to the sanctuary of the clubhouse. Some mates coming off nine after their nine holes all wanting a chat and I've got Hiroshima about to explode. Said a few hellos and then shuffled across the car park. I'll leave the rest suffice to say it has been a continuing theme

Got back to the practice ground. Stretched again, swung the club gently and generally warmed up. Hit about a dozen balls and the dodgy Cilla Black hit again. Really painful. Took the balls to the pro shop and asked if I could store them in my locker for warming up tomorrow and got my putting mat and chipping balls. Couldn't get into any short game work and back hurt bending over to putt. Shovelling ibuprofen, hot water botte on the back and Volturol on it to try and get out tomorrow. Then had to sit through the Fulham game. Not been a good day
 

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I'm torn on this one. We can't allow BLM protests to go ahead unless we also allow those opposed to BLM to protest as well.

Do I think that players should be kneeling before a game? No.
Would I boo players kneeling? Absolutely not.
Do I support the political aims of the BLM movement (ie defunding the police)? No.
Do I support equality and am I against racism? Absolutely, yes.

I don't think that politics has any place in sport and as a result I don't think that BLM logos and kneeling should be allowed. I think that sport should find it's own way to show that racism is not acceptable and it needs those in charge to make sure that punishments for those found guilty are so harsh that they act as a deterrent.
Do you honestly think the people booing at Millwall were doing so at political intentions of some of the BLM?

Taking the knee at football is clearly in support of ending racism. Which has got absolutely nothing to do with politics.
 

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Double whammy of a day. Had Delhi belly all day. Had gone to the club to hit some balls and work on the putting and short game. Had just go to the practice ground and had an urgent need to return to the sanctuary of the clubhouse. Some mates coming off nine after their nine holes all wanting a chat and I've got Hiroshima about to explode. Said a few hellos and then shuffled across the car park. I'll leave the rest suffice to say it has been a continuing theme

Got back to the practice ground. Stretched again, swung the club gently and generally warmed up. Hit about a dozen balls and the dodgy Cilla Black hit again. Really painful. Took the balls to the pro shop and asked if I could store them in my locker for warming up tomorrow and got my putting mat and chipping balls. Couldn't get into any short game work and back hurt bending over to putt. Shovelling ibuprofen, hot water botte on the back and Volturol on it to try and get out tomorrow. Then had to sit through the Fulham game. Not been a good day
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Do you honestly think the people booing at Millwall were doing so at political intentions of some of the BLM?

Taking the knee at football is clearly in support of ending racism. Which has got absolutely nothing to do with politics.
No absolutely not. I think that those booing at Millwall are/were racist morons. But that's just my opinion and I have no evidence to back that up. Equally you can't allow those in favour of BLM to protest showing their support and ban those who are against the BLM movement from protesting and showing they are against it. Taking the knee came from the BLM movement and as such is a political gesture. In my opinion political statements or gestures have no place in sport.
 

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I would respectfully request that you don’t judge the entire BLM movement based on the actions of a small minority, which is ironic really... 😉
I would argue that there needs to be a split between those who are opposed to racism and the BLM movement (<--- and by "movement" I mean the political side of things). Anti-racism protests and a drive towards real equality are absolutely necessary due to the actions of a minority in all walks of life, not just the police, but I think that these need to be separated from the more extreme political aims of BLM.
 

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I would argue that there needs to be a split between those who are opposed to racism and the BLM movement (<--- and by "movement" I mean the political side of things). Anti-racism protests and a drive towards real equality are absolutely necessary due to the actions of a minority in all walks of life, not just the police, but I think that these need to be separated from the more extreme political aims of BLM.
You make some valid points, but how do you separate 2 groups with a shared aim? They may diverge on other aspects, but as long as they share the same goal then they are going to be indiscriminately lumped together.

Where we completely disagree is your opinion that sport and “politics” should be separate. Sport is a vital tool in changing public opinion. Issues such as Apartheid are a perfect example of this.
 

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You make some valid points, but how do you separate 2 groups with a shared aim? They may diverge on other aspects, but as long as they share the same goal then they are going to be indiscriminately lumped together.

Where we completely disagree is your opinion that sport and “politics” should be separate. Sport is a vital tool in changing public opinion. Issues such as Apartheid are a perfect example of this.
I get where you are coming from but would argue that with a situation such as Apartheid it should be entirely a political decision and completely taken out of the hands of sport. A government should state that because of the views/policies of your ruling elite we are banning all of our sports teams from touring your country or playing against any of your teams regardless of the sporting (or other) consequences, we will not support what you are doing. Politicians have made the decision and sport doesn't have to get involved.
 
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I get where you are coming from but would argue that with a situation such as Apartheid it should be entirely a political decision and completely taken out of the hands of sport. A government should state that because of the views/policies of your ruling elite we are banning all of our sports teams from touring your country or playing against any of your teams regardless of the sporting (or other) consequences, we will not support what you are doing. Politicians have made the decision and sport doesn't have to get involved.
But there are times (and apartheid is as good an example as any) we as individuals, groups, and collectives should take a stand outwith the direction of "government". And sports groups and collectives have a powerful voice. IMO.
 

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But there are times (and apartheid is as good an example as any) we as individuals, groups, and collectives should take a stand outwith the direction of "government". And sports groups and collectives have a powerful voice. IMO.
While I agree, I think that individuals, groups and collectives should be taking the stand and using it to put pressure on the governments to "do the right thing". It is a far more powerful message if the UK government ban any UK sport team from touring South Africa (sticking with Apartheid as the example) rather than an individual team deciding not to tour while others still visit.
 
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