Nomads to get official handicaps

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Not really.
We have to pre-register either on the App, which obviously has time data, or in the shop/office prior to playing.
We then have to either
A. return a completed scorecard signed by player and "marker" (witness is more exact) or,
B. upload score, electronically sign to say it's true AND upload scorecard signed by player and marker/witness.

Option B is exactly the same as comps have been running since June.

There is no question of "putting in any score you want" if it's run properly.
We need a score verified by another person who played with you.
But, nothing to stop people cheating if they have a mind to do that.

We are not to swap scorecards as that is considered a covid risk.
 
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We input the scores and upload the card photo via the Intelligent Golf App.
Ah right. We have been uploading through Master Scoreboard, but only when we have been playing competitions, and these scores were double checked by our handicap secretary before being 'confirmed'. We can't load up scores outside of our organised comps... That is my point/question - where do Nomads upload scores, and how does the app know that they're legit? It seems very trust based to me...
 
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Ah right. We have been uploading through Master Scoreboard, but only when we have been playing competitions, and these scores were double checked by our handicap secretary before being 'confirmed'. We can't load up scores outside of our organised comps... That is my point/question - where do Nomads upload scores, and how does the app know that they're legit? It seems very trust based to me...
At the moment they don't until EG update there app . The trust issue is no different than what club members are expected to be.
 
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Here in the South West I know of one Club that charges £1 per annum membership plus the County and EG affiliation fees. For that you get a handicap, entry to their competitions (on paying a green fee), the County Card which gives you discounted golf nationwide, insurance from EG etc.. There is also one in my county that charges £36 per annum including county and EG affiliation fees. Neither of these Clubs, which anyone can join from anywhere in the UK, are overwhelmed by nomadic golfers despite the attractiveness of the offering.This new EG scheme will have to go some to beat these deals and I am sure there are equivalent ones elsewhere in the country.
I'm a bit surprised that no action was taken by EG/County Union. CONGU do not seem to have published their view since their manual was superseded by WHS, but it was pretty clear in their last issue:

Dec.8(a) Status of ‘Handicap Only’ or ‘Competition Handicap’ (or the like) categories of golf club membership in the context of a CONGU® Definition of a Member.

It is a matter for individual golf clubs to determine the nature of their categories of membership. However, forms or categories of membership such as ‘Handicap Only’ or ‘Competition Membership’ satisfy neither the spirit nor intent of the definition of a ‘Member’ as contained in the CONGU UHS and do not qualify for the allotment of a CONGU ® Handicap.
 
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I'm a bit surprised that no action was taken by EG/County Union. CONGU do not seem to have published their view since their manual was superseded by WHS, but it was pretty clear in their last issue:

Dec.8(a) Status of ‘Handicap Only’ or ‘Competition Handicap’ (or the like) categories of golf club membership in the context of a CONGU® Definition of a Member.

It is a matter for individual golf clubs to determine the nature of their categories of membership. However, forms or categories of membership such as ‘Handicap Only’ or ‘Competition Membership’ satisfy neither the spirit nor intent of the definition of a ‘Member’ as contained in the CONGU UHS and do not qualify for the allotment of a CONGU ® Handicap.
From one of the Clubs‘ websites

Club Membership: This allows you to (i) Retain a Golf Handicap in accordance with CONGU the national affiliated body, (ii) Enter Club competitions and play in teams for fixtures against other Clubs, and (iii) Receive a free County Card which offers discounts for golf throughout England. However, you will still need to pay a daily green fee rate unless you sign up for Course Membership.
ClubMembership Fees are as follows:
Mens Fee: £ 35.50
Ladies Fee: £ 33.50”

Would seem a far better prospect than what is being proposed by EG for the nomadic golfer if you want a handicap. It has the added benefit for the County Union of them getting their full affiliation fee from the member.
 
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At the moment they don't until EG update there app . The trust issue is no different than what club members are expected to be.
Thanks for clarifying regarding the app (y) I can't agree with you regarding 'trust' though... A member of a club needs a signed scorecard, or perhaps now with covid, a 'witnessed' round of golf for it to qualify, right? So if you wanted to put in bogus scores, you would at least need an accomplice who is a member at your club. If you're a nomad, surely you can put in whatever score you want on the app and don't need anyone else there to sign/witness it.

The point I'm getting at is that if your committee found that you and your mate were putting in bogus scores, you could find yourself in a bit of trouble. For a nomad, I don't see how anyone could realistically check if they were putting in dodgy scores?

These are honest question by the way. I'm not trying to nitpick, but more interested in how this will all work.
 

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Thanks for clarifying regarding the app (y) I can't agree with you regarding 'trust' though... A member of a club needs a signed scorecard, or perhaps now with covid, a 'witnessed' round of golf for it to qualify, right? So if you wanted to put in bogus scores, you would at least need an accomplice who is a member at your club. If you're a nomad, surely you can put in whatever score you want on the app and don't need anyone else there to sign/witness it.

The point I'm getting at is that if your committee found that you and your mate were putting in bogus scores, you could find yourself in a bit of trouble. For a nomad, I don't see how anyone could realistically check if they were putting in dodgy scores?

These are honest question by the way. I'm not trying to nitpick, but more interested in how this will all work.
I'm wondering the same thing. Sure, there are a few dishonest club members, (I've played with a few in the past, so know they exist), but I personally think it's a lot harder to "manipulate" the current system than it would be for a few "lads" who aren't members anywhere and are just interested in pot hunting to pull a few fast ones.
 
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I'm a bit surprised that no action was taken by EG/County Union. CONGU do not seem to have published their view since their manual was superseded by WHS, but it was pretty clear in their last issue:

Dec.8(a) Status of ‘Handicap Only’ or ‘Competition Handicap’ (or the like) categories of golf club membership in the context of a CONGU® Definition of a Member.

It is a matter for individual golf clubs to determine the nature of their categories of membership. However, forms or categories of membership such as ‘Handicap Only’ or ‘Competition Membership’ satisfy neither the spirit nor intent of the definition of a ‘Member’ as contained in the CONGU UHS and do not qualify for the allotment of a CONGU ® Handicap.
Why should EG tell clubs what their club membership fees should be?
 
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I'm wondering the same thing. Sure, there are a few dishonest club members, (I've played with a few in the past, so know they exist), but I personally think it's a lot harder to "manipulate" the current system than it would be for a few "lads" who aren't members anywhere and are just interested in pot hunting to pull a few fast ones.
I think "pot hunting" is easily solved - limit the maximum handicap index allowed from Nomads in open comps.

Societies I think have the largest benefit from having official handicaps. I often read on here various handicap systems that are used based around peoples ancient handicaps moving and some blokes spreadsheet. I'd deem it neccessary for players to get this handicap to play. But you could see some serious bandits there too if theres no authentication of the card required.
 
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Where? The MyEG app is super basic, or at least my Android one is. Is entering scores coming at some point in an update?
You can enter a "general play score" on any course from any rated tees on the Scottish Golf app. You need to be close to the course to pick it up.
We also have the Intelligent Golf one but haven't used that to enter scores since the SG one came on line.
 
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