New Rules 2019 - Out of Bounds

clubchamp98

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There are many courses where ancient footpaths which may have remains of stone paving (and therefore may satisfy the requirement of an artificial surface) are deemed by LR to be an Integral Part of the Course. The same course may well have a tarmac path which is an Immovable Obstruction and not deemed to be an IPC.
There’s a joke in there somewhere “ what’s the difference between a Roman road and a Tarmac one”?
I had better not!
 
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Decision made at our committee meeting this morning to discuss and set the LRs for 2019. the Ball lost alternative etc will not be adopted for the foreseeable future. The introduction of penalty areas where balls are often lost/hard to find and as an alternative to OB will be considered as a better alternative at such time in the future.

Basically we have too many holes where it would be difficult or nearly impossible to implement 'not nearer to the hole' and having it on some but not all holes would probably lead to confusion with the members many of whom seem not to able to read and implement correctly existing local rules.

One thing that was definite - if it is not going to allowed in competition play then it will not be written in to the LRs for general play if we decide at some time in the future to consider it.

The simple view is that what players do within their own groups/ swindles is entirely up to them as long as they stick by the rues in competitions .
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Most courses you drop off paths or you don’t! As LR.
But don’t think I have played one where you have to play off a path or take a penalty on one hole but not another.

He could have been declared the winner then someone says “ I seen him drop on fairway on the ** hole that’s not allowed here” what happens then?
The 17th at St Andrews is a classic example of the road being declared as integral to the course.

Judging by where Steve Gallagher played on of his shots from it could be the case that there are others on the course as well.
 

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The 17th at St Andrews is a classic example of the road being declared as integral to the course.

Judging by where Steve Gallagher played on of his shots from it could be the case that there are others on the course as well.
Always wondered about thing like this golf clubs are designed to play off grass not tarmac.

It’s ok for the pros who get their clubs free, but if you just paid £1000+ for a set of irons I would be taking a penalty drop!

Really can’t see why any artificial surface is deemed part of the course.
 

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Often because the road/path was well established before the course was even thought about. This is also the case with ancient buildings and walls.
 

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Wouldn't the introduction of drop zones do away with some of estimates and guesstimates ?
The Allowable Local Rule, as written, would not allow the use of drop zones and I am pretty sure would receive strong objections from the greens staff. Just had a reasonable discussion with our New Corse manager about why we should have lines around the temp greens as he does not like having lines painted on the grass.
 

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Often because the road/path was well established before the course was even thought about. This is also the case with ancient buildings and walls.
But it dosnt stop an LR to drop off or away from listed buildings.
It’s dangerous for you and others to be playing off paths roads etc.
 

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But it dosnt stop an LR to drop off or away from listed buildings.
It’s dangerous for you and others to be playing off paths roads etc.
They don't have to have a LR - simply don't declare it to be an Integral Part of the Course. In fact it take a LR to make it an Integral Part of the Course.

Any danger depends on the nature of the problem. There is a nearby course that has a listed ancient barn declared to be an IPC. It presents no danger from a ball having to be played adjacent to it. It's just a nuisance.

Incidentally, they will be call Integral Objects from next year.
 
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The Allowable Local Rule, as written, would not allow the use of drop zones and I am pretty sure would receive strong objections from the greens staff. Just had a reasonable discussion with our New Corse manager about why we should have lines around the temp greens as he does not like having lines painted on the grass.
Why do you need lines if the surface has been prepared for putting?
 

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They don't have to have a LR - simply don't declare it to be an Integral Part of the Course. In fact it take a LR to make it an Integral Part of the Course.

Any danger depends on the nature of the problem. There is a nearby course that has a listed ancient barn declared to be an IPC. It presents no danger from a ball having to be played adjacent to it. It's just a nuisance.

Incidentally, they will be call Integral Objects from next year.
A ball hit off a path could go anywhere , I would say that’s putting yourself and others in danger . Just my opinion.
 

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Why do you need lines if the surface has been prepared for putting?
Experience says (particularly if the temporarary greens have hardly ever been needed) as the winter goes on with wet weather conditions etc the surface often loses definition compared to the fairway. Greenstaff are often full of good intentions but other stuff can get in the way and temporary greens often do not get the attention they deserve.

Lines make players aware of the green and less likely to wheel trolleys or drive buggies across them. It also makes players much more aware of where a temporary green is when the normal green is in use and les likely to take divots on of them. Where the point to lift clean and place 6 inches away ends is much more obvious. Where you can and where you cannot repair a pitch mark. When they stop being used and lose their status as wrong greens at all it is easier to understand they are no longer in use if the lines have disappeared.
 
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