Course design you dislike.

JamesR

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Not what I dislike, but what a course should be, in my opinion:

Doglegs both ways
Mixture of straight and doglegs
Par 3s varying from 140 to 210
Par 4s varying from 290 to 480
Par 5s varying from 490 to 570
Shorter risk and reward holes and long slog holes which go in all directions, so as to use different winds

If a course has the above I’m happy
 

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I wasn’t talking about me, but a lady friend of mine, who couldn’t carry the rough from the red tees. What tees would you suggest then?
Well I appreciate that's not ideal for her, but not every course is designed so that everyone can play it.
Some courses need a bit of a carry.
 

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Well I appreciate that's not ideal for her, but not every course is designed so that everyone can play it.
Some courses need a bit of a carry.
Chiswick par 3 started to cut a lot more fairway and it became more enjoyable all way around. Good players are always going for the green anyway but I was able to duff a shot and have a go at the green on my 2nd shot.
They still have punishing rough green side, but the fairways now make it available to all skill levels.
 

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But it isn't the middle of the fairway if there's a bunker there :)

Eg 16th at Bowood. 2 routes round the central bunker. Choose the one you can make.....and fire
There is about 10yds either side of this bunker and then just stuff you don’t want to visit.
 
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Never before have I read such moaning. I'm sorry if that upsets some people or makes me unpopular. But you all seem to want golf to be incredibly easy and utterly boring.

Lets' break it down:

1. Bling tee shots. These add excitement and make you questions which club to use. Most competent golfers can drill a 4 iron straight from the tee. Or they can take the chance with a driver. In the day of GPS apps on phones it's not really blind anyway. I have a garmin one which was free with my rangefinder and is great. So it's a total none issue.

2. Long par 3's. What we are really talking about a longish approach with a ball perfectly teed up. I'm far from a good golfer but who said we should always be aiming to make greens in regulation? On a 220 yard par 3, I might even chose to lay up. So for me it can be a 5 iron and lob wedge or a 3 hybrid depending on how I'm feeling. Again this makes the game more fun.

3. Having to actually carry to make a fairway. Err if you are struggling to carry your driver 170 yards onto the short grass perhaps you deserve to be in the rough. For brand new golfers and invalids I'm sure this isn't so much fun. But they also have driving ranges to practice on. I can't imagine the standard of regular golfer who winces when they get on a tee if they have to carry a bit of grass or water.

4. Hole which don't suit your preferred shot shape. Either learn how to shape the ball both ways or take a shorter club twice.

5. Bunkers your ball can actually go in. Either learn to direct your ball so it doesn't go in the bunker. Or learn how to play in the bunker. Similar to trees in the fairway. Just set yourself up so they are not a problem. If you can't then you are probably not very good (like me) and deserve a poor score.

Without being rude these whinges seem to be more about hackers not being able to shoot level par and make 18 greens in regulation than actual problems with golf courses. Golf shouldn't just be about swinging clubs. It's a game of chess, calculating what the best move is and plotting the move ahead. I'd give up the game if courses were the type which most of the people on here want.
 

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Never before have I read such moaning. I'm sorry if that upsets some people or makes me unpopular. But you all seem to want golf to be incredibly easy and utterly boring.

Lets' break it down:

1. Bling tee shots. These add excitement and make you questions which club to use. Most competent golfers can drill a 4 iron straight from the tee. Or they can take the chance with a driver. In the day of GPS apps on phones it's not really blind anyway. I have a garmin one which was free with my rangefinder and is great. So it's a total none issue.

2. Long par 3's. What we are really talking about a longish approach with a ball perfectly teed up. I'm far from a good golfer but who said we should always be aiming to make greens in regulation? On a 220 yard par 3, I might even chose to lay up. So for me it can be a 5 iron and lob wedge or a 3 hybrid depending on how I'm feeling. Again this makes the game more fun.

3. Having to actually carry to make a fairway. Err if you are struggling to carry your driver 170 yards onto the short grass perhaps you deserve to be in the rough. For brand new golfers and invalids I'm sure this isn't so much fun. But they also have driving ranges to practice on. I can't imagine the standard of regular golfer who winces when they get on a tee if they have to carry a bit of grass or water.

4. Hole which don't suit your preferred shot shape. Either learn how to shape the ball both ways or take a shorter club twice.

5. Bunkers your ball can actually go in. Either learn to direct your ball so it doesn't go in the bunker. Or learn how to play in the bunker. Similar to trees in the fairway. Just set yourself up so they are not a problem. If you can't then you are probably not very good (like me) and deserve a poor score.

Without being rude these whinges seem to be more about hackers not being able to shoot level par and make 18 greens in regulation than actual problems with golf courses. Golf shouldn't just be about swinging clubs. It's a game of chess, calculating what the best move is and plotting the move ahead. I'd give up the game if courses were the type which most of the people on here want.
It’s a golf forum!!
A question was asked . Several different opinions were expressed.
What’s the problem with that .
It’s not moaning ,just giving an opinion.
Good player or hacker it’s an opinion, if we could control the ball not to go in hazards every time like you suggest they wouldn’t bother us.
 
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It’s a golf forum!!
A question was asked . Several different opinions were expressed.
What’s the problem with that .
It’s not moaning ,just giving an opinion.
Good player or hacker it’s an opinion, if we could control the ball not to go in hazards every time like you suggest they wouldn’t bother us.
And if the ball never went in the hazard it wouldn't be very much fun would it? The challenge is dealing with the obstacles, not eliminating them.
 

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Pointless hazards, like the 9th at chart hills, the holes a par 4 and about 120 yards in are a sea of bunkers, unless I'm going to tee off with a PW then it'll be nothing more than an obstacle to walk around.
 

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Pointless hazards, like the 9th at chart hills, the holes a par 4 and about 120 yards in are a sea of bunkers, unless I'm going to tee off with a PW then it'll be nothing more than an obstacle to walk around.
I know a dude who would be in those every weekend 😂 Thins everything, couldn’t carry a purse, but knocks it dead from 150 without ever getting above head height and regularly boxes 40 footers. He is a heartbreaker to play against!
 

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Holes that cross over another hole.
17th at Bramley is played, from an elevated tee, over the 16th green ..................... if my memory serves me.
I also seem to remember the 1st at Torquay, I think, is played across the 18th fairway.
Thick rough under trees. Double jeopardy and it slows things down unnecessarily.
 

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Or, a good way to fit a golf course into an otherwise too small plot of land
Possibly but not necessarily. We have an 18 hole course in Dorset built on a very small site but the innovative use of par 3s and 4s stops it being just holes up and down.
 

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4. Hole which don't suit your preferred shot shape. Either learn how to shape the ball both ways or take a shorter club twice.

I will assume this post was an answer to mine, as I don't remember any others mentioning a preferred shot shape, and if it was, you have completely missed the point. But don't let that get in the way of your rant.

It is one dimensional courses I have an issue with, that suit one shot shape. It is preferrable to have to move it both ways.
 

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Played a par 5 today with three blind landing zones
You literally do not see you ball land on any shot tee to green
It's dictated by the topography but its not a great design
SI 1 as it happens
 

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Blind tee shots, depends. If it a natural feature, and there is no trick over the brow like a sharp change of direction or a pond, OK. Some great holes are blind - several great holes at RCD, a few at Silloth, a par-3 at Lahinch, amongst others. .

I hate holes which try to make up for their lack of design imagination features with rough and length. also don't like greens up a hill on the horizon so you can't see any depth.
 
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