Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

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clubchamp98

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You’re not looking hard enough. Just because you don’t see them doesn’t mean they’re not there although, with respect, they won’t spend their entire time on just your street - unless, of course, your local residents are giving them good reason to be there.

If you’re expecting to see a beat officer walking, then don’t because they are something of a rarity. But there’s more than one way of being active in communities.

And, sorry, your suggestion the police these days rely on cameras is absolute codswallop. It was that element of your post I took exception to.
Oh dear. A rather lame attempt to sum up a discussion that covered a number of pages, and which evolved during that process, by then using selected comments and observations, largely out of context, simply to try and win an argument.

Your views are quite clear. That the police have retreated from the streets and allowed themselves to be replaced by cameras.

Your own limited experience of the judicial system is just that - limited experience. It hardly constitutes evidence. And where have I said that you, specifically, do not understand anything? My comment was not a direct response to you - had it been, I would have made it quite clear.

But if the cap fits......
well that cap certainly fits you.
I am wrong about where I live and you are right .
 

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We were told we were 2/3 weeks behind Italy/ France/ Spain at the start and they haven’t removed many restrictions yet so how can it be responsible for Boris to do anything other than say we continue as is but we’re going to get strict with all you absolute c#%ts who insist on going and seeing your mates and sunbathing on the beach when you have been told to stay home.
Why aren’t there more police out telling these pricks to go home
 

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You asked “what stops most people speeding”
Cameras is the answer.
The fines come if you get caught.
I wasn't writing about speeding or cameras, that remark was only to point out that fining people is a deterent, I was discussing breaking up large numbers of people in public places playing football and having picknicks close together, the discussion turned into Police not being able or even expected to break them up and give out fines. I suggested Police could do it in the same way they give out fines for other offenses, the discussion then became confused with speeding cameras which was a red herring. I didnt want to discuss speed cameras or even whether anyone had seen a Policeman walk past their house.

Ironically I saw a news article today that showed a Police van driving through a park loadhailing people to pack up and go home which they started doing.
 

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If you have to describe a message/notice it so obviously not a clear one.

BTW ....I was tempted to post Kaz's Lert but thought it might bust a few blood vessels.:love:
Your Country Needs Lerts...….that definitely works. I can see the poster with Corporal Jones pointing his finger.
 

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So Boris announces some restrictions later and the usual suspects take advantage.

We have a spike in the numbers similar to Germany and Korea.

Would this be good in the medium term as it may make people realise what is required?
 

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I wasn't writing about speeding or cameras, I was discussing breaking up large numbers of people in public places playing football and having picknicks close together, the discussion turned into Police not being able or even expected to break them up and give out fines. I suggested Police could do it in the same way they give out fines for other offenses, the discussion then became confused with speeding cameras which was a red herring. I didnt want to discuss speed cameras or even whether anyone had seen a Policeman walk past their house.

Ironically I saw a news article today that showed a Police van driving through a park loadhailing people to pack up and go home which they started doing.
Read your post again you asked a direct question which I answered with one word!
You dont need to. As I suggested you dont need to police everywhere, a few Police in a park with loudspeakers and handing out some fines will clear it, if you do it consistently the word gets around. One problem is the fines are too small, some £800 first fines would make an impression. What stops most people speeding in cars or parking on yellow lines?
it has a ? As well.
 

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So the phrase 'limit contact with other people' is not up for a whole myriad of interpretation? And what about 'Stay at home as much as possible?'. What is 'as much as possible'?

There are a significant minority of people who seemed to find ways to justify ignoring the current 'rules'. For better or worse we have created a situation where people need very direct instructions. And whilst this is not totally down to the current government, claiming this is very clear, based on what we have seen up to yet and the way society currently operates, is being a bit naive to me .
Do you understand the following words...

"Stay at home as much as possible?"

I do. They're clear to me. Maybe I'm stupid?
 

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If you have to describe a message/notice it so obviously not a clear one.

BTW ....I was tempted to post Kaz's Lert but thought it might bust a few blood vessels.:love:
Your Country Needs Lerts...….that definitely works. I can see the poster with Corporal Jones pointing his finger.
Go on, feel free. It will only be like all your other posts. Either anti RUK or irrelevant.
 

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Oh dear. A rather lame attempt to sum up a discussion that covered a number of pages, and which evolved during that process, by then using selected comments and observations, largely out of context, simply to try and win an argument.

Your views are quite clear. That the police have retreated from the streets and allowed themselves to be replaced by cameras.

Your own limited experience of the judicial system is just that - limited experience. It hardly constitutes evidence. And where have I said that you, specifically, do not understand anything? My comment was not a direct response to you - had it been, I would have made it quite clear.

But if the cap fits......
This difference of views leads me to liken it to what I imagine would be the case if someone criticised the army in WW1.
The soldier on the front line rightly defends the army. But the public see it not prevailing and blame the army.
Both are right - because the blame belongs to the MOD and the generals.

Frontline police have a really hard task. They are undermanned, underfunded, by the Government and under supported by their leaders. Police leadership has been motivated since Bramshill by career advancement. That is what leaders are told is important. Butterfly appointments are commonplace.
Show me a high ranking officer now, who stayed in his original Force.
Move and advance. Couple of years here, three or four there.
Political decisions are made where operational ones should apply, all too frequently.
How many street officers are taken to form specialists squads born from political decisions made in Westminster and those arising from Public enquiries etc.
Minorities shout loudly for offences to be policed and disproportionate responses are made to satisfy them. How many officers are now used examining the internet, for example.
All this denuded the ordinary officer strength that should be out there protecting the public from the villain, : the thief, the con man: the violent drunks:the bullies.
They are the ones free to operate to the extent that there are no go areas now, where there never were any.
And it is true that speeders are caught only because of cameras, for the same reason. And because they are efficient at doing that.

But those that criticise the Police and emergency services, remember,
When the 💩 hits the fan, it's them that runs to the danger when everyone else ( understandably) runs the other way.
 

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I am wrong about where I live and you are right .
Yes, much as you find it difficult to accept, I regret to say you probably are wrong.

I haven’t seen a bobby in the village where I live for months. But I know that they have been there, almost daily. I know that, not just because of what I do, but also because I play golf with our local bobby and there is nothing he doesn’t know about this community. Nothing. His knowledge is not something he gains by not getting out and speaking with local people. Surprisingly, even though I don’t see him and his colleagues, equally I don’t spend every waking hour looking for them, and there’s every possibility they might just have passed by when my attention was elsewhere. Or perhaps I might actually not have been at home. But hey, it happens. It might just happen down your way, too.

But far more significantly, my nearly 29 years’ experience of policing, experience you don’t have, is such that I can say with some certainty that there is not a community anywhere in this country which has been abandoned by its local police, regardless of what you think. That won’t mean a 24/7 presence in plain sight of your front door, but they will still be about.

Things might be bad after a decade of austerity. But they’re not quite that bad.
 

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This difference of views leads me to liken it to what I imagine would be the case if someone criticised the army in WW1.
The soldier on the front line rightly defends the army. But the public see it not prevailing and blame the army.
Both are right - because the blame belongs to the MOD and the generals.

Frontline police have a really hard task. They are undermanned, underfunded, by the Government and under supported by their leaders. Police leadership has been motivated since Bramshill by career advancement. That is what leaders are told is important. Butterfly appointments are commonplace.
Show me a high ranking officer now, who stayed in his original Force.
Move and advance. Couple of years here, three or four there.
Political decisions are made where operational ones should apply, all too frequently.
How many street officers are taken to form specialists squads born from political decisions made in Westminster and those arising from Public enquiries etc.
Minorities shout loudly for offences to be policed and disproportionate responses are made to satisfy them. How many officers are now used examining the internet, for example.
All this denuded the ordinary officer strength that should be out there protecting the public from the villain, : the thief, the con man: the violent drunks:the bullies.
They are the ones free to operate to the extent that there are no go areas now, where there never were any.
And it is true that speeders are caught only because of cameras, for the same reason. And because they are efficient at doing that.

But those that criticise the Police and emergency services, remember,
When the 💩 hits the fan, it's them that runs to the danger when everyone else ( understandably) runs the other way.
That's all well and good but do you suggest the Police should not move people along who are breaking social distance rules in public parks. I saw a news item today where they did just that and it was very effective.
 

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Do you understand the following words...

"Stay at home as much as possible?"

I do. They're clear to me. Maybe I'm stupid?
You get it, loads won't or will choose to exploit the wording to suit. Why not just keep it as 'Stay at Home' at least until they get the infection rates down more and drop the 'as much as possible' part? Seems Wlaes and scotland have opted to stay clear on that message. Serious concerns over a 2nd wave if this backfires.

tweet from pro govt Harry cole - cabinet ignored again on this very messaging point. Why?


Finally. Interesting photo, PM with a slightly glaikit look - captions anyone?;)

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This difference of views leads me to liken it to what I imagine would be the case if someone criticised the army in WW1.
The soldier on the front line rightly defends the army. But the public see it not prevailing and blame the army.
Both are right - because the blame belongs to the MOD and the generals.

Frontline police have a really hard task. They are undermanned, underfunded, by the Government and under supported by their leaders. Police leadership has been motivated since Bramshill by career advancement. That is what leaders are told is important. Butterfly appointments are commonplace.
Show me a high ranking officer now, who stayed in his original Force.
Move and advance. Couple of years here, three or four there.
Political decisions are made where operational ones should apply, all too frequently.
How many street officers are taken to form specialists squads born from political decisions made in Westminster and those arising from Public enquiries etc.
Minorities shout loudly for offences to be policed and disproportionate responses are made to satisfy them. How many officers are now used examining the internet, for example.
All this denuded the ordinary officer strength that should be out there protecting the public from the villain, : the thief, the con man: the violent drunks:the bullies.
They are the ones free to operate to the extent that there are no go areas now, where there never were any.
And it is true that speeders are caught only because of cameras, for the same reason. And because they are efficient at doing that.

But those that criticise the Police and emergency services, remember,
When the 💩 hits the fan, it's them that runs to the danger when everyone else ( understandably) runs the other way.
Yes I agree.
I would love to see police on my road .
But the brutal fact is they are not.
Low level crime now is just a crime number for your insurance.
My cameras comment still stands as that’s my experience of the police over the last few years.
I don’t blame the police I blame where the buck stops at the top.
 
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If you have to describe a message/notice it so obviously not a clear one.

BTW ....I was tempted to post Kaz's Lert but thought it might bust a few blood vessels.:love:
Your Country Needs Lerts...….that definitely works. I can see the poster with Corporal Jones pointing his finger.
Feel free. You flatter yourself if you think your musings have that much impact :confused:
 
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December 31st China alerts WHO to new virus.

January 23rd Study reveals a third of China’s patients require intensive care.

January 24th Boris Johnson misses first Cobra meeting.

January 29th Boris Johnson misses second Cobra meeting.

January 31st The NHS declares first ever ‘Level 4 critical incident’ Meanwhile, the government declines to join European scheme to source PPE.

February 5th Boris Johnson misses third Cobra meeting.

February 12th Boris Johnson misses fourth Cobra meeting. Exeter University published study warning Coronavirus could infect 45 million people in the UK if left unchallenged.

February 13th Boris Johnson misses conference call with European leaders.

February 14th Boris Johnson goes away on holiday. Aides are told keeps Johnson’s briefing notes short or he will not read them.

February 18th Johnson misses fifth cobra meeting.

February 26th Boris Johnson announces ‘Herd Immunity’ strategy, announcing some people will lose loved ones. Government document is leaked, predicting half a million Brits could die in ‘worse case scenario’

February 29th Boris Johnson retreats to his country manor. NHS warns of ‘PPE shortage nightmare’ Stockpiles have dwindled or expired after years of austerity cuts.

March 2nd Boris Johnson attends his first Cobra meeting, declining another opportunity to join European PPE scheme. Government’s own scientists say over half a million Brit’s could die if virus left unrestrained. Johnson tells country “We are very, very well prepared.”

March 3rd Scientists urge Government to advise public not to shake hands. Boris Johnson brags about shaking hands of Coronavirus patients.

March 4th Government stops providing daily updates on virus following a 70% spike in UK cases. They will later U-turn on this amid accusations they are withholding vital information.

March 5th Boris Johnson tells public to ‘wash their hands and business as usual’

March 7th Boris Johnson joins 82,000 people at Six Nations match.

March 9th After Ireland cancels St Patrick’s day parades, the government says there’s “No Rationale” for cancelling sporting events.

March 10th - 13th Cheltenham takes place, more than a quarter of a million people attend.

March 11th 3,000 Atletico Madrid fans fly to Liverpool.

March 12th Boris Johnson states banning events such as Cheltenham will have little effect. The Imperial College study finds the government’s plan is projected to kill half a million people.

March 13th The FA suspends the Premier League, citing an absence of Government guidance. Britain is invited to join European scheme for joint purchase of ventilators, and refuses. Boris Johnson lifts restrictions of those arriving from Coronavirus hot spots.

March 14th Government is still allowing mass gatherings, as Stereophonics play to 5,000 people in Cardiff.

March 16th Boris Johnson asks Britons not to go to pubs, but allows them to stay open. During a conference call, Johnson jokes that push to build new ventilators should be called ‘Operation Last Gasp’

March 19th Hospital patients with Coronavirus are returned to care homes in a bid to free up hospital space. What follows is a boom of virus cases in care homes.

March 20th The Government states that PPE shortage crisis is “Completely resolved” Less than two weeks later, the British Medical Association reports an acute shortage in PPE.

March 23rd UK goes into lockdown.

March 26th Boris Johnson is accused of putting ‘Brexit over Breathing’ by not joining EU ventilator scheme. The government then state they had not joined the scheme because they had ‘missed the email’

April 1st The Evening Standard publishes that just 0.17% of NHS staff have been tested for the virus.

April 3rd The UK death toll overtakes China.

April 5th 17.5 million Antibody tests, ordered by the government and described by Boris Johnson as a ‘game changer’ are found to be a failure.

April 7th Boris Johnson is moved to intensive care with Coronavirus.

April 16th Flights bring 15,000 people a day into the UK - without virus testing.

April 17th Health Secretary Matt Hancock says “I would love to be able to wave a magic wand and have PPE fall from the sky.” The UK has now missed four opportunities to join the EU’s PPE scheme.

April 21st The Government fails to reach its target of face masks for the NHS, as it is revealed manufactures offers of help were met with silence. Instead millions of pieces of PPE are being shipped from the UK to Europe.

April 23rd - 24th Government announces testing kits for 10 million key workers. Orders run out within minutes as only 5,000 are made available.

April 25th UK death toll from Coronavirus overtakes that of The Blitz.

April 30th Boris Johnson announces the UK has succeeded in avoiding a tragedy that had engulfed other parts of the world - At this point, The UK has the 3rd highest death toll in the world.

May 1st The Government announces it has reached its target of 100,000 tests - They haven’t conducted the tests, but posted the testing kits.

May 4th The number of NHS staff that have died from Coronavirus overtakes the number of British Military personnel that died during the Iraq War.

May 5th The UK death toll becomes the highest in Europe.

May 6th Boris Johnson announces the UK could start to lift lockdown restrictions by next week.
Perhaps if your timeline also had things such as Nightingale Hospitals, furlough, support for self-employed, support for small businesses etc then it would be more balanced.
 

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Everyone will have a chance to hold the government to account, its called an election. All of us having a moan on a media site is not holding anyone to account.

The only people who we can't hold to account is the media and some seem to be only to willing to feed of the scrapes of information that is thrown their way and take it as gospel.
Ah, "the media"... Seems for 'the right' the penny is dropping what a bunch of lying charlatans much of the press/media is... Sadly come the next election both sides will have kissed and made up and be happy back together attacking the left 😞✌...
 

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You get it, loads won't or will choose to exploit the wording to suit. Why not just keep it as 'Stay at Home' at least until they get the infection rates down more and drop the 'as much as possible' part? Seems Wlaes and scotland have opted to stay clear on that message. Serious concerns over a 2nd wave if this backfires.

tweet from pro govt Harry cole - cabinet ignored again on this very messaging point. Why?


Finally. Interesting photo, PM with a slightly glaikit look - captions anyone?;)

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Cabinet raging, yep I would expect a hack to come up with that. Didnt realise you followed the mussings of the Mail
 
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