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SocketRocket

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If you wish to be pedantic, then yes.

It was, IIRC, Michael Gove though...

Anyway, I don’t want to get pulled into this conversation at the moment. It’s become quite boring and monotonous. See you all on other threads 👍
Me Pedantic. Either that's the meaning or it's not 🙄
 

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May be an over simplification but surely there is no compulsion to go out, socialise etc. If you feel you need to stay locked down then I respect that and you can stay at home.

It has been said that people think it is all over. See, I don't think people necessarily believe the problem is over but rather have a degree of realism together with a limit of what they can take.

On the reality side of things, we are at the end of what the government can afford to pay for so people have to work and shops have to open. Lockdown is one thing, lockdown with no money is a whole different ball game. So people are working and in more daily contact so people want to relax after work and see less issue with others around them.

As for parks and beaches, I refuse to judge. I have an ok house with a garden in the countryside so everything is on my doorstep. If I was in an urban environment you can pretty much guarantee that I would head for a park or a beach to maintain my sanity.

I will not judge people on their actions until I know the full story. What I do see is the irony that on one part of the forum people have been seeing no problem with 4 ball golf and were quite virulent in their arguing for it yet the world will end now I can sit in my garden 2m from 3 mates having a beer
 

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How long have the dentists had to realise that they are going to have to reopen, that keeping 2 metres away might be a bit of a stretch and therefore they might have to develop a plan... :unsure:

Any omnishambles here is down to the individual dentists.
Any business who have not put measures in place to assist in a prompt opening when the time arrives sounds like a failing business to me.
 
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Your wasting your time, there seem to be a problem with instructions and the SILH family, be it info on the current crisis or getting tax returns in on time. There are those that do as asked or those who choose to ignore.

As for those who are off doing things because "Cummings " did need to take a serious look in the mirror. I presume next thing they will be doing is wearing scruffy joggers and a beanie hat when they go to work.
And there are those who know exactly what to do in any circumstance that concerns them, and know they can find out and where to look when the circumstances change; and others that actually don't understand or realise what they have to do, but as soon as they do, they get on with it and do it properly. And I'll think that you'll find that SILH and his family are in these groups.
 

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How long have the dentists had to realise that they are going to have to reopen, that keeping 2 metres away might be a bit of a stretch and therefore they might have to develop a plan... :unsure:

Any omnishambles here is down to the individual dentists.
Have to agree. Look at the company I work for, a small high street law firm. With the announcement that we had to look to getting on with things we have had to source plastic screens for reception, wall and floor markings, masks for clients attending the office, masks for staff meeting with clients, hand sanitiser etc. OK not full on medical PPE but still the sort of thing that is way outside of the daily norm of a company like ours. Even so, 1st June we are fully up and running, fully compliant with all recommendations etc. It can be done. At least dentists already have access to the relevant supply chain. Plus, as with everything, dentists do not 'have' to re-open, they can re-open once they have all of the kit they need to do so safely. Just because a restriction has been lifted, does not mean that everyone has to change their behavior that very day. Agree that it is very lax though to not have someone trying to secure all of the necessary PPE during lockdown as it was inevitable that, at some stage, they would be back at work with Covid still around.
 

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And there are those who know exactly what to do in any circumstance that concerns them, and know they can find out and where to look when the circumstances change; and others that actually don't understand or realise what they have to do, but as soon as they do, they get on with it and do it properly. And I'll think that you'll find that SILH and his family are in these groups.
I haven't meet you but I know more about your family and their personal circumstances than anyone else on here, and some of it was IMO very personal.

I think its a pretty strange person who would rather come on the internet for advise on some very important matters ranging from the current crises, benefit advise and tax returns rather than go to official sites for the information. Maybe its just me and if its I can only apologise.
 

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Good job no one expecting us to trust experts pushed the message not to trust experts or to use our instinct recently, or we would be in trouble.
I can only assume the people who don’t understand this clear and obvious post are the same ones who don’t understand the guidance? :)
 

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I can only assume the people who don’t understand this clear and obvious post are the same ones who don’t understand the guidance? :)
Look, I didnt understand the point it was making. Dont you sometimes get confused by the point someone is making and need to ask them to clarify it. Something else I dont understand is why you needed to make that comment, I have understood the guidance and havent asked for that to be clarified thank you. 😔
 

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Look, I didnt understand the point it was making. Dont you sometimes get confused by the point someone is making and need to ask them to clarify it. Something else I dont understand is why you needed to make that comment, I have understood the guidance and havent asked for that to be clarified thank you. 😔
Gimme a hug, you big rascal.
 

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How long have the dentists had to realise that they are going to have to reopen, that keeping 2 metres away might be a bit of a stretch and therefore they might have to develop a plan... :unsure:

Any omnishambles here is down to the individual dentists.
Agreed.

My bil is well prepared, sourced PPE and has good plans worked through with peers

Interestingly, doesnt seem to be blaming the government for anything.
 

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Any business who have not put measures in place to assist in a prompt opening when the time arrives sounds like a failing business to me.
It bemuses me with some companies / authorities etc. What have they been doing for the last 8+ weeks? Have the owners, managers etc just been sat in their gardens reading all day? From day one any decent organisation would have had a range of plans in their heads. As things changed they may have amended them slightly but it was pretty clear what was needed in order to re-open. Blimey, Newcastle Race course ran a meeting with a few days notice. They hadn't sat waiting for that call, they had everything ready to go weeks in advance. The moment the call came, bam off they go. Those that come on the tv complaining they are not ready or have not had sufficient notice, arrrghhhhh:mad:. Why advertise your own ineptitude?
 

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It bemuses me with some companies / authorities etc. What have they been doing for the last 8+ weeks? Have the owners, managers etc just been sat in their gardens reading all day? From day one any decent organisation would have had a range of plans in their heads. As things changed they may have amended them slightly but it was pretty clear what was needed in order to re-open. Blimey, Newcastle Race course ran a meeting with a few days notice. They hadn't sat waiting for that call, they had everything ready to go weeks in advance. The moment the call came, bam off they go. Those that come on the tv complaining they are not ready or have not had sufficient notice, arrrghhhhh:mad:. Why advertise your own ineptitude?
Because it all fits the narrative of 'the government did not tell me what to do, provide me with what I need, issue detailed guidelines in time etc and so must be getting it wrong'. Not saying that they are getting everything right, far from it, but there is now an increase section of society who wants to blame their own lack of foresight and preparation on the government. What gets me more is the governing bodies that are also, apparently, totally in the dark about things. They should be discussing preparations and plans with the government and civil service daily almost and, in fact, should have already drawn up proposals themselves after consultation with their members. Trade bodies should be telling the government what they plan to do and how and the government should then be approving these proposals.
 
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I haven't meet you but I know more about your family and their personal circumstances than anyone else on here, and some of it was IMO very personal.

I think its a pretty strange person who would rather come on the internet for advise on some very important matters ranging from the current crises, benefit advise and tax returns rather than go to official sites for the information. Maybe its just me and if its I can only apologise.
No problems. I think that you'll find that neither I nor any in my family have had any particular issues or misunderstandings on what was being allowed under the lockdown rules - we might have found some of the guidance inconsistent, and if we wanted to act confused then we could have done so, but we didn't and have adhered to all the rules pretty much 100% as far as I am aware. And indeed if we adhere to 'what was' then we know that we cannot breach 'what is' today. So for instance Saturday we met 'socially-distanced' and outside with our daughter on her 25th birthday. She wanted to give us a hug. We said No - that has to wait. :(

On stuff like self employed status, SA Tax Returns when mixed employed and Self-Employed, plus on claiming benefits - having never been self-employed and never claimed any benefit (other than child allowance back in the day), my feeling is that it is worthwhile seeking a bit of informed advice and getting a feeling for what to do and not to do before engaging with the DWP and HMRC. Indeed the advice I got from a forummer was extremely helpful in that it guided me to what to do - and reduced my concerns on the complexity of what needed doing.
 
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No problems. I think that you'll find that neither I nor any in my family have had any particular issues or misunderstandings on what was being allowed under the lockdown rules - we might have found some of the guidance inconsistent but we have adhered to all the rules pretty much 100% as far as I am aware. And indeed if we adhere to 'what was' then we know that we cannot breach 'what is' today.

On stuff like self employed status, SA Tax Returns when mixed employed and Self-Employed, plus on claiming benefits - having never been self-employed and never claimed any benefit (other than child allowance back in the day), my feeling is that it is worthwhile seeking a bit of informed advice and getting a feeling for what to do and not to do before engaging with the DWP and HMRC. Indeed the advice I got from a forummer was extremely helpful in that it guided me to what to do - and reduced my concerns on the complexity of what needed doing.
There’s nothing wrong with asking for real life experience of these things.
Sometimes government websites should come with interpretation into plain English.
Bit of a harsh criticism imo.
It’s what forums are for.
 

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Ibuprofen is now being trialed as the solution? HAven't we been told at the beginning that it is making it worse? That's why paracetamol was hard to get.
And I hope people don't self medicate with massive amounts of it because it can lead to kidney problems. An ibuprofen here or there when in pain is OK, but continued use only with doctors input.
 

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Ibuprofen is now being trialed as the solution? HAven't we been told at the beginning that it is making it worse? That's why paracetamol was hard to get.
And I hope people don't self medicate with massive amounts of it because it can lead to kidney problems. An ibuprofen here or there when in pain is OK, but continued use only with doctors input.
Sorry, I’m confused, Ibuprofen and paracetemol are different aren’t they?
 
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