Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Ethan

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I think tody is the first time I've admitte to myself that I'm starting to struggle. The first lockdown wasn't too bad, the weather was great, I was furloghed the kids were off etc, it was liveable with, but I don't like winter months at the best of times and this year I'm really starting to feel it. I'm sick of the whoe thing now, sick of living like this, not being able to play the game I love (and hate) despite it being probably the most covid secure thing you do. Sick of having remembering to grab a bloody mask before I go out anywhere, sick of being told I can't go out anyway, sick of being talked to like a piece of dog crap for daring to ask someone to put a mask on on public transport, for them to wave an 'exemption card', which they've downloaded off the web, in my face because wearing a bit of cloth over their face for a few minutes makes them a bit anxious and they can't breathe. No, you can't breath because you're the weight of a horse and you smoke 40 B+H a day you fat selfish slob. But I can't say that as I will lose my job so I just have to smile politely and get on with it, whilst getting more grief from mask wearing passengers for not enforcing the mask rule. I'm sick of my childrens education being harmed as they constantly have to take time off due to another child/teacher testing positive. The job I loved disappeared, literally overnight, and there's no sign of it coming back any time soon. I just want this over now and some kind of normality to return, but when/what will that be? The government that I once had faith in now don't seem to have a bloody clue and we're just going round in cirles.
And all the while people are dying in their hundreds, and I feel incredibly selfish for writing what I have becasue of that.
Sorry for the rant, hoping getting it off my chest a bit helps
I have a real issue with the self-exemptions too. Asthma, COPD and a bunch of other conditions are reasons you really should wear a damn mask, not reasons not to. Kids with autism and people with a proper medically certified psychiatric condition such as trigeminal neuralgia where facial contact can be very painful, maybe, but that is about it.
 

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We went for a walk this afternoon because cabin fever was setting in. Like you I'm well and truly fed up with it now. Ideally, we'd be in London now seeing the new grandson and making sure the daughters were ok - all 3 of which have a issue at present. In fact we would have been back in the UK 3 months ago. We don't want to bring anything nasty back to 3 daughters who are vulnerable. When do we come back? After getting the vaccine? Mid-June?

What other people do, mask/no mask, party or whatever is up to them. We have a neighbour who completely ignored the first lockdown, and is doing the same with the current one we're halfway through. They know not to come knocking on my door if they get ill. I told them straight, if our other neighbours get it I have no problem doing whatever they need but if the selfish ones get it, they're on their own as far as I'm concerned.

All we can do is lower our expectations and make the most of what opportunities come our way. Hunker down, be safe and plan for the future. We're planning a big family bash in New York for next October, vaccine permitting.
Sounds like a plan, I’m changing my name to Elrond.:cool:
 

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Oxford/AZ results

Interesting results, showing good efficacy but not as good as Pfizer or Moderna. 90% reduction in the group who got a half dose then a full dose, 62% in the group who got 2 full doses with an overall effect of 70%. This seems counter-intuitive, so needs further explanation. Many of us suspected this might be the case. Still, likely to be available in large quantities and seemed to prevent people from getting severe disease.

I note that the studies were rather small, total less than 12,000 (2700 in the half-full group and 9000 in the 2 x full) compared with 30,000+ in Pfizer/Moderna. This must mean that very small numbers of subjects got Covid in the 90% subset, and the result must therefore have large confidence intervals around it.

Based on these results, I would probably prefer the Pfizer or Moderna, but this one is OK too.
 

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I think we need to rethink the law a bit.
Anyone committing a criminal act should have their rights suspended until they stop that criminal act.
Far to many people think they can just do what they want.
Forget the dog argument, that’s been exhausted but surely we need to discuss this!

You think people should lose their human rights the moment they break the law? Who decides they’re breaking the law? The police? An impartial observer?

Methinks your suggestion is made in good faith but would purely be the act of a tyrannical nation. It’s the sort of thing you hear about in despicable countries like Saudi Arabia!
 

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Oxford University breakthrough on global COVID-19 vaccine | University of Oxford

Whilst disappointing at 70%(or the slightly weird reading 90% result), one of the most important factors is the number of severe cases with vaccine, who cares if the 30% all end up with say like a cold or perhaps worse(just trying to be positive) and it says :-
  • There were no hospitalised or severe cases in anyone who received the vaccine

So a great result and great news in the main, quicker to hit our shores . Feeling upbeat :):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
 

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Forget the dog argument, that’s been exhausted but surely we need to discuss this!

You think people should lose their human rights the moment they break the law? Who decides they’re breaking the law? The police? An impartial observer?

Methinks your suggestion is made in good faith but would purely be the act of a tyrannical nation. It’s the sort of thing you hear about in despicable countries like Saudi Arabia!
I never mentioned HUMAN RIGHTS. You have made that up!
I said suspended while in the act of a crime.
Far to many criminals end up better off than their victims once our soft courts have “ dealt with them”
 

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I never mentioned HUMAN RIGHTS. You have made that up!
I said suspended while in the act of a crime.
Far to many criminals end up better off than their victims once our soft courts have “ dealt with them”
What rights were you talking about if not their human rights?

And you haven’t answered a crucial question - who decides in the heat of the moment what is a crime? There’s a reason we have a justice system and what you’re suggesting would mean suspending that justice system in favour of vigilantism.
 
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What rights were you talking about if not their human rights?

And you haven’t answered a crucial question - who decides in the heat of the moment what is a crime? There’s a reason we have a justice system and what you’re suggesting would mean suspending that justice system in favour of vigilantism.
I think you are confusing some little s Croat of a burglar with a refugee or oppressed minority in a tyrannical country ,
The police decide in this country if you are committing a crime.
They tell you what law they are arresting you under when they read you your rights.

Human rights obviously mean different things to you .
Is it in your “human rights “ to be able to sue a firm because you fell through their roof while trying to break in?
The Human Rights card played again for a minor crime diminishes it.
What about the VICTIMS RIGHTS.
 

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I think you are confusing some little s Croat of a burglar with a refugee or oppressed minority in a tyrannical country ,
The police decide in this country if you are committing a crime.
They tell you what law they are arresting you under when they read you your rights.

Human rights obviously mean different things to you .
Is it in your “human rights “ to be able to sue a firm because you fell through their roof while trying to break in?
The Human Rights card played again for a minor crime diminishes it.
What about the VICTIMS RIGHTS.
Actually no - the police arrest you because you are suspected of committing a crime, guilt is not a given. Your premise falls apart at the first step.

So are you advocating that the police should be given the power to determine guilt and subvert the court system?
 

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Actually no - the police arrest you because you are suspected of committing a crime, guilt is not a given. Your premise falls apart at the first step.

So are you advocating that the police should be given the power to determine guilt and subvert the court system?
It’s hard to discuss something with you as you just make your own assumptions.
Show me where I said anyone was Guilty.
 
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