Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Hacker Khan

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My 83 year old mum is in that category.

She did her best during lockdown. She’s high risk, lives on her own and I’m her only nearby family. She understood most of the guidance, put her own spin on some of it and, whilst she got through it she found it tough. For the first time I think she feels mortal and understands that time is not on her side.

If we went into another national lockdown she has pretty much said she’ll take her chances. She wants to enjoy what life she has left, and I totally get that.

However, I find it difficult to be fully supportive of her, quite simply because her putting herself at risk because she’s not concerned about her own well being has the clear potential to jeopardise the health of everyone she comes into contact with.

In addition, whilst I want to see her live her life, I am under no illusions. Given her age and underlying health issues, if she catches this virus I’m fairly certain she won’t survive it.
I suppose it depends on the definition of 'taking their chances' is. Not sure I'd be happy with them cruising the OAP club circuit without a mask on.

But I'd totally understand why an elderly person on their own with not that long to go would want to say, at least see their grandchildren over the next few months.
 

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I would say it’s nonsense. Generally parents and grandparents would want the best for their sons, daughters and grandchildren.

The economic, societal, financial and mental issues with this approach don’t seem to be the offering gift and lasting legacy I’d like to leave for the offspring.

Protecting an age group that won’t see an end to this and won’t see normal again seems pretty nonsensical.

Maybe we should ask them? I imagine they want to live their last years normally.
We need to look after each other IMO, because people may only have 5, 10, 20 years left is no reason to suggest they are any the less entitled to live them.
 

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I suppose it depends on the definition of 'taking their chances' is. Not sure I'd be happy with them cruising the OAP club circuit without a mask on.

But I'd totally understand why an elderly person on their own with not that long to go would want to say, at least see their grandchildren over the next few months.
My wife’s gran is 95, up until this year she was a very active 95 year old with her social activities plus bowls etc. All of that has been curtailed and she’s pretty much confined to barracks although is still in her own home rather than a care home.

Today she called and said that she’s made the decision that she’d like to see her granddaughter (6 years old) rather than doing Zoom calls. She doesn’t see anyone face to face anymore as her classes and sports have been cancelled so she’s no risk to anyone other than herself. She knows the risk as our daughter is at school and does various clubs but is adamant she doesn’t want to waste what time she has left staring at a screen.

My wife is uncertain however her gran was very definite as to her wishes. Looks like we have a visit booked in for next week.
 

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I see the police are going to get access to the data from the test and trace app. Somehow I can't see that encouraging many people to use it to make is successful.

And in unrelated news Serco have told the stock exchange they will exceed their profit targets this year due to coronavirus-related work. Good news for their shareholders in these financially troubled times there. I may buy some myself.
Everyone goes on how successful countries like South Korea was with track and trace, they could even access your bank accounts and new which shops you had been in. Pointless having track and trace if those needing to enforce it can’t trace.
 

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Everyone goes on how successful countries like South Korea was with track and trace, they could even access your bank accounts and new which shops you had been in. Pointless having track and trace if those needing to enforce it can’t trace.
True, but you need a fundamentally functional and efficient T&T system with high levels of coverage before enforcement is useful. No point harassing individuals if swathes of other people are missed by the system. One doesn't make up for the other.
 

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True, but you need a fundamentally functional and efficient T&T system with high levels of coverage before enforcement is useful. No point harassing individuals if swathes of other people are missed by the system. One doesn't make up for the other.
Must be a help if those who are on the system do things properly instead of allowing the high percentage that are ignoring the restrictions.
 

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Must be a help if those who are on the system do things properly instead of allowing the high percentage that are ignoring the restrictions.
It is moving the deckchairs on the Titanic. The current system drops the ball right at the outset. Lots of cases are never reached, therefore many contacts are never identified in the first place, and of those who are identified many are never contacted, so all of those are not liable for failing to follow instructions they never got. At this point, the system is a waste of time.

I think the allegations of lots of people failing to comply are exaggerated to distract from more fundamental structural failings. If one person who is isolating and on day 10 decides to go to the chip shop wearing a mask, it is extremely unlikely any harm will have resulted to anyone, and getting Plod involved is a waste of everybody's time and a distraction.

They ned to rip Serco Test and Trace up, tell Dido to do one and do what should have been done in March - scale up local boots on the ground contact tracing, along with testing all close contacts of cases.
 

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We need to look after each other IMO, because people may only have 5, 10, 20 years left is no reason to suggest they are any the less entitled to live them.
Yes, not all "old" people are ready to go. I go along with the old Bob Hope gag.

Whoever wants to live to be a hundred,? said the 40 yr old.


Someone who's ninetynine.! Said the old man.
 

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It is moving the deckchairs on the Titanic. The current system drops the ball right at the outset. Lots of cases are never reached, therefore many contacts are never identified in the first place, and of those who are identified many are never contacted, so all of those are not liable for failing to follow instructions they never got. At this point, the system is a waste of time.

I think the allegations of lots of people failing to comply are exaggerated to distract from more fundamental structural failings. If one person who is isolating and on day 10 decides to go to the chip shop wearing a mask, it is extremely unlikely any harm will have resulted to anyone, and getting Plod involved is a waste of everybody's time and a distraction.

They ned to rip Serco Test and Trace up, tell Dido to do one and do what should have been done in March - scale up local boots on the ground contact tracing, along with testing all close contacts of cases.
So the reports that many countries test and trace isn't doing as well as hoped should not even come into the equation, interesting.

Lets bin all the advice as there are such a large minority not bothered , an interesting way to look at things.
 

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So the reports that many countries test and trace isn't doing as well as hoped should not even come into the equation, interesting.

Lets bin all the advice as there are such a large minority not bothered , an interesting way to look at things.
Not sure what you are talking about. Test and trace is important, but needs to be done properly and fixing minor issues at the margins doesn't fix the major ones at the core. We now need a functional and effective system and Plod can do nothing to help that.
 

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Can I just say I'm liking the sudden conversion to socialism in terms of society coming together for the greater good and a sense of community from some who previously could be argued took a less benevolent approach. Glad to finally have you on board. Its good isn't it, feels nice;)
 

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In general older people are incredibly supportive of their families, they would not sacrifice the lives of the young for their own lifestyles in my opinion. If you believe that to be nonsense then I must disagree.
True ... but a similar argument was made during the whole Brexit vote... that those won’t be able to enjoy the gains/losses of leaving (because they are old) should not be allowed to vote while we should allow the young ones to vote

I can’t see the age argument. Surely this is about riding the damn virus out till we have a vaccine. We r not in the end-of-the-world or titanic situation (yet)
 

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Not sure what you are talking about. Test and trace is important, but needs to be done properly and fixing minor issues at the margins doesn't fix the major ones at the core. We now need a functional and effective system and Plod can do nothing to help that.
Got a message through today on the Covid app saying I had been in contact with someone who has Covid. It was a couple of hours after a PP put on our what’s app group that he had Covid. Played a round with him last Tuesday. No suprise where the contact was then. Anyway that’s not a problem at all, 9 days isolation as per the app says.
But, I spoke to another PP who played a round today and played with me on Tuesday. They were on about it at the course after today’s round and a few lads said “ stuff it we won’t sign on with the app when we get to the course”. What the hell is that all about. I could scream.
 

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Can I just say I'm liking the sudden conversion to socialism in terms of society coming together for the greater good and a sense of community from some who previously could be argued took a less benevolent approach. Glad to finally have you on board. Its good isn't it, feels nice;)
If your sarcasm is aimed at me and I strongly suspect it is then I suggest this is not an issue for silly point scoring. Do you honestly believe because someone has a different preference on social matters they would wish people to die, that's a ridiculous suggestion and one that a winking emoji doesn't excuse.
 

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If your sarcasm is aimed at me and I strongly suspect it is then I suggest this is not an issue for silly point scoring. Do you honestly believe because someone has a different preference on social matters they would wish people to die, that's a ridiculous suggestion and one that a winking emoji doesn't excuse.
Not wish them to die, no, but be much more accepting of it happening, yes.
 

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Please explain how you come to that conclusion.
Do you deny that at least in the broad scheme that a socialist outlook on society is more likely to prioritise the happiness and health of everyone as a collective when compared to our current capitalist culture?

If so then it’s a fundamental disagreement which we’ll never get past so no point trying. :)
 

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Do you deny that at least in the broad scheme that a socialist outlook on society is more likely to prioritise the happiness and health of everyone as a collective when compared to our current capitalist culture?

If so then it’s a fundamental disagreement which we’ll never get past so no point trying. :)
It's impossible to discuss this without breaking the rule on political posting. I can only say that your previous suggestion is not true IMO.
 
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