Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

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When we was in full lockdown I was not able to go see my dying grandad in hospital (he did not have covid-19).

The phones on the ward were all broken so no one could call him either for the 6 weeks he was in.

My nan managed to get a few hours in the afternoon with him on his last day which was nice.

Absolute shambles and disgrace, still royally annoyed now about it all.
No wonder. Sorry to hear about your grandad.
 

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Gotta laugh at adults collecting kids from school. Massive queue all distancing...until they get to the school gates. Then it's a big scrum of human beings crashing into each other. LOL...NOT.

Oh and not a bluddy mask in sight.
We only started to join the collection crowd this week and at our infant school they keep us apart from the queue to when we enter to when we leave.
It's about minimising risk we don't stand there 15 minutes close to another person, and it is outside.

Of course, we are all collecting kids who spent all day together anyway.
 
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Really do not get this. Yes, everyone has hope but the warnings of a second wave have been there throughout with October being the prediction of when it will start. People knew that. I have every sympathy for anyone facing a job loss but, again, it was pretty clear that some industries were going to take a very long time to recover, if at all (travel, airlines, hospitality and quite a few others). I can only say it was naive for people in some industries if they have decided to ride out the furlough period without looking at a career change. I fully expected to have to do that myself but who would have expected a property boom, even if it may be short lived.

As for students, as long as they have access to lectures and tutorials then the basic premise of why they are there has been completed. Even if some of that has to be missed, with maybe 9 hours of lectures a week, it does not take much to catch up. I had to do almost an entire section of my course by listening to taped lectures due to a scheduling issue.
Not going to get in a debate about what May expectations were about September/October as that would instantly get political - however I think that we can agree that we were NOT being warned that we would quite possibly be subject to very significant measures until end March 2021.
 

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Not going to get in a debate about what May expectations were about September/October as that would instantly get political - however I think that we can agree that we were NOT being warned that we would quite possibly be subject to very significant measures until end March 2021.
No need to be political at all, the warnings about a second wave were in the press, on the news, on no end of websites, on social media and even on here. It is perfectly possible to point out the plethora of information predicting just this at exactly this time without even mentioning a political party or a political opinion. I stand exactly by my comments. Anyone in a severely impacted industry needed to be looking for a way out. I would even go as far to say that anyone still on Furlough now should not have high expectations of returning to their position at the end of October. Sadly you are putting forward the rather worrying idea that people should throw all thoughts of common sense out the window and blindly follow political rhetoric.
 

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Not going to get in a debate about what May expectations were about September/October as that would instantly get political - however I think that we can agree that we were NOT being warned that we would quite possibly be subject to very significant measures until end March 2021.
Agree there was no such explicit warning, but given the onset of winter and the added complications of more indoors, flu season and other NHS pressures, it was not hard to imagine restrictions until Spring.
 

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We only started to join the collection crowd this week and at our infant school they keep us apart from the queue to when we enter to when we leave.
It's about minimising risk we don't stand there 15 minutes close to another person, and it is outside.

Of course, we are all collecting kids who spent all day together anyway.
My sons school has got it very well organised, staggered start and finish times, masks to be worn by parents however this hasn't stopped kids getting infected. Reception, years 1 and 2 are now all isolating due to kids getting infected away from school.

Fortunately I'm on my 6 days off so I can look after him while the wife is at work. Just no golf this week although it is blowing about 30 mph and raining heavily so not a good day for the links today.
 

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Not going to get in a debate about what May expectations were about September/October as that would instantly get political - however I think that we can agree that we were NOT being warned that we would quite possibly be subject to very significant measures until end March 2021.
Everyone and their dog were told there'd be a second wave. Everyone was told that when the coming winter flu arrived, whether its a second or third wave of Covid along with whatever new version of flu comes around, that stringent measures would be needed. And the WHO has been giving out global warnings of what was coming, and what the responses should be.

The NHS was told in May to gear up for September, and how the public should behave if it wished to avoid tougher measures.

No we cannot agree we were NOT being warned. Methinks you're being deliberately obtuse.
 

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Not going to get in a debate about what May expectations were about September/October as that would instantly get political - however I think that we can agree that we were NOT being warned that we would quite possibly be subject to very significant measures until end March 2021.
This is a very fluid, rapidly changing event and i do not think anyone knew what was going to happen as no one has the experience of such an epidemic so i think we should not get hung up on wether we were warned , it looked to me like winter was always going to be a challenging time after such an assault on the NHS so i cannot see why anyone else would not see the oncoming wave of infections or at the least a rise, when lockdown was eased
Releasing lockdown combined with returns to work,school and uni were always going to be a risk but we could all help to reduce it if we follow the guidelines and apply common sense , i do not particularly like wearing a mask, but if it reduces my chances of getting\passing Covid i will comply ,just wish more would do the same we seem to have a core of people that have a sod you i am ok attitude and this is dangerous.
 

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We only started to join the collection crowd this week and at our infant school they keep us apart from the queue to when we enter to when we leave.
It's about minimising risk we don't stand there 15 minutes close to another person, and it is outside.

Of course, we are all collecting kids who spent all day together anyway.
The kids I saw were all squashed together on the other side of the gate waiting to be collected. Looking forward to the next spike to be announced in Stoke.
 
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Everyone and their dog were told there'd be a second wave. Everyone was told that when the coming winter flu arrived, whether its a second or third wave of Covid along with whatever new version of flu comes around, that stringent measures would be needed. And the WHO has been giving out global warnings of what was coming, and what the responses should be.

The NHS was told in May to gear up for September, and how the public should behave if it wished to avoid tougher measures.

No we cannot agree we were NOT being warned. Methinks you're being deliberately obtuse.
OK - it is weird how the words from some about things getting back to something approaching normal September/October time have been erased from memory. Yes there were warnings from scientists and medics about a second wave - but my point was that words from some of significant influence were more positive. And all that I am saying is that some very difficult decisions many businesses and individuals were faced with making were put off in the hope that the positive words would come to pass - the alternative being too difficult and depressing to accept. And they have not come to pass. And the very difficult decisions are now having to be made.
 

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OK - it is weird how the words from some about things getting back to something approaching normal September/October time have been erased from memory. Yes there were warnings from scientists and medics about a second wave - but my point was that words from some of significant influence were more positive. And all that I am saying is that some very difficult decisions many businesses and individuals were faced with making were put off in the hope that the positive words would come to pass - the alternative being too difficult and depressing to accept. And they have not come to pass. And the very difficult decisions are now having to be made.
Again, not agreeing with this. On day one of the lockdown, my company and most of the ones that I deal with put in place plans for best case scenarios, worst case scenarios and pretty much everything in between and have been ready to adjust their strategy and position as the circumstances change on everything from staffing levels to working from home to office procedures. No sensible company puts off any decision but rather has contingencies in place for everything bearing in mind that a positive outcome or a negative one were equally possible. The old adage 'plan for the worst and hope for the best' seems a good one to apply. Doing nothing and hoping that everything will be fine is just poor management when it has become more and more obvious that everything in the short term will not be fine.
 

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Although there was obviously a range of speculations/predictions about what would happen in the late summer/school return/lockdown easing period, I am unaware of any credible voices saying it would all be fine and dandy. There were some who predicted carnage, other who said it would be tough but manageable, and a few who suspected that HMG's preferred option was to see a low level of cases among younger people slowly moving towards herd immunity. Publicly, the Govt spoke of keeping the NHS protected, which suggests an acceptance that there would be pressures but hopefully tolerable ones. But there was general agreement that Covid was going to remain a problem until a vaccine was widely available.
 

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Not going to get in a debate about what May expectations were about September/October as that would instantly get political - however I think that we can agree that we were NOT being warned that we would quite possibly be subject to very significant measures until end March 2021.
Oh come off it. Did anyone REALLY think we were going to be back to pre COVID normal before then?
 

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Everyone and their dog were told there'd be a second wave. Everyone was told that when the coming winter flu arrived, whether its a second or third wave of Covid along with whatever new version of flu comes around, that stringent measures would be needed. And the WHO has been giving out global warnings of what was coming, and what the responses should be.

The NHS was told in May to gear up for September, and how the public should behave if it wished to avoid tougher measures.

No we cannot agree we were NOT being warned. Methinks you're being deliberately obtuse.
This highlight is a key phrase looking in at the UK

Millions didn’t behave when in ‘lockdown’ & it could’ve made a big difference
Millions didn’t behave when measures were starting to be lifted
And millions more thought they were behaving because they only did was ‘allowed’... but turns out they weren’t really helping because they were being allowed to do too much and probably just made it worse
 
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Oh come off it. Did anyone REALLY think we were going to be back to pre COVID normal before then?
Nobody did. Well - not very many and thse who did were rather deluded...

But plenty of businesses and individuals were hoping that positive words coming from some of more significance and influence than others about what might be possible Sept/Oct time, would indeed come to pass. They were hoping that they were not having false hopes raised as the alternative was too difficult to contemplate - which for many businesses would be significant redundancies. I am not suggesting that they should have taken hope from what they might have heard - I for one didn't really believe a word of it - but who can blame them. Of course we know what their hopes were based upon - and that was a world class 3Ts system.
 

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Nobody did. Well - not very many and thse who did were rather deluded...

But plenty of businesses and individuals were hoping that positive words coming from some of more significance and influence than others about what might be possible Sept/Oct time, would indeed come to pass. They were hoping that they were not having false hopes raised as the alternative was too difficult to contemplate - which for many businesses would be significant redundancies. I am not suggesting that they should have taken hope from what they might have heard - I for one didn't really believe a word of it - but who can blame them. Of course we know what their hopes were based upon - and that was a world class 3Ts system.
That is a load of tosh.

Can you name any company or business that publicly put out statements to support what you are saying?

Can you name any scientist or MP who didn't think there'd be a second wave later in the year when talking in May?
 
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OK - it is weird how the words from some about things getting back to something approaching normal September/October time have been erased from memory. Yes there were warnings from scientists and medics about a second wave - but my point was that words from some of significant influence were more positive. And all that I am saying is that some very difficult decisions many businesses and individuals were faced with making were put off in the hope that the positive words would come to pass - the alternative being too difficult and depressing to accept. And they have not come to pass. And the very difficult decisions are now having to be made.
Without going down the political route, I do vividly recall Boris telling the nation at the start of lockdown that this virus would be under control within 12 weeks. And very little was known then about how this would develop.

The only certainty during the last six months has been the constant uncertainty. That said, the majority opinion I have seen since the outset has been that there would be further waves of the virus, and the bulk of those I have seen predicted autumn/winter. The positive words have largely been from isolated individuals.
 
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Nobody did. Well - not very many and thse who did were rather deluded...

But plenty of businesses and individuals were hoping that positive words coming from some of more significance and influence than others about what might be possible Sept/Oct time, would indeed come to pass. They were hoping that they were not having false hopes raised as the alternative was too difficult to contemplate - which for many businesses would be significant redundancies. I am not suggesting that they should have taken hope from what they might have heard - I for one didn't really believe a word of it - but who can blame them. Of course we know what their hopes were based upon - and that was a world class 3Ts system.
I think you are not sticking to the theme of the thread but just rehashing the original political thread debate, Prof Whity has always said from the begining that this will a long haul and waves of ŕising infection rates were more likely than not.
 
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Without going down the political route, I do vividly recall Boris telling the nation at the start of lockdown that this virus would be under control within 12 weeks. And very little was known then about how this would develop.

The only certainty during the last six months has been the constant uncertainty. That said, the majority opinion I have seen since the outset has been that there would be further waves of the virus, and the bulk of those I have seen predicted autumn/winter. The positive words have largely been from isolated individuals.
Correct, somebody said a lot of positive things including I remember masks being implemented for 4-8 weeks as it would curb the virus in that time period. Said somebody and the CDC Director.

A different approach required or perhaps a kick into reality.
 
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