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We recently had one of our members pass away and his family would like to present a trophy to be played for annually.

The format the family has decided can be decided by the members, this was discussed in the clubhouse yesterday and the consensus of opinion that it should be a ind stroke comp, max 18 handicap playing off 3/4's.

Some said it would have to be non-qualifying, others stating no it doesn't as "it's our club, it's up to us"

Is there any reason as we are a private club that we can't do that?
 
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I'm not sure of the question
. you can do what ever comps you want . it's your club after all.
 
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that wouldn't be qualifying round.
Seem to have confused you, agreed comp format was as follows:
18 holes
Ind Stroke
3/4 handicap with Max Handicap 18,
"Qualifier"

I don't think it can be a qualifier.

Others saying that it can be a qualifier as it's our club and we can do what we want.
 
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Seem to have confused you, agreed comp format was as follows:
18 holes
Ind Stroke
3/4 handicap with Max Handicap 18,
"Qualifier"

I don't think it can be a qualifier.

Others saying that it can be a qualifier as it's our club and we can do what we want.
i agree it can't be a qualifier. not off 3/4s
 

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Seem to have confused you, agreed comp format was as follows:
18 holes
Ind Stroke
3/4 handicap with Max Handicap 18,
"Qualifier"

I don't think it can be a qualifier.

Others saying that it can be a qualifier as it's our club and we can do what we want.
1. It can't be a qualifier
2. As a club affiliated to the Golf Union, and operating CONGU handicaps, you should be playing competitions to CONGU allowances ie individual stroke play handicap events should be played off full handicap.
 

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Seem to have confused you, agreed comp format was as follows:
18 holes
Ind Stroke
3/4 handicap with Max Handicap 18,
"Qualifier"

I don't think it can be a qualifier.

Others saying that it can be a qualifier as it's our club and we can do what we want.
They need to be advised that there are CONGU rules which they must adhere to if they wish to continue to be an affiliated club - the prospect of losing their handicaps might make them stop and think.
 
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1. It can't be a qualifier
2. As a club affiliated to the Golf Union, and operating CONGU handicaps, you should be playing competitions to CONGU allowances ie individual stroke play handicap events should be played off full handicap.
So no max 18 handicap either for it to be a qualifier?
 

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Others saying that it can be a qualifier as it's our club and we can do what we want.
I encountered this attitude at a club where I was the Competitions Co-ordinator.

It's rubbish! Handicapping is a National/UK wide process, so certain rules/standards must be conformed to!

Qualifying comps, and the control of handicaps at the club, are enabled by conforming to Congu's procedures - which would make that comp non-qualifying.

So if you want to keep your Congu authority to allocate and maintain handicaps, then you must conform to Congu regs.
 
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There can be a handicap limit for prize winning only but full handicaps must be used for handicap purposes.
On this note, could they not use 75% of handicap for awarding prizes but use full handicap for handicap adjustment?

Scratch comps use 0% of handicap for prizes but full handicap for adjustment.
 

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On this note, could they not use 75% of handicap for awarding prizes but use full handicap for handicap adjustment?

Scratch comps use 0% of handicap for prizes but full handicap for adjustment.
I'm afraid I disagree with Rulefan here.

Responses so far haven't focused on prizes but the running of a competition.

The rules under which a competition may be run as a Q comp are set out clearly in the CONGU manual.

In addition to Q comps there are also recommended handicap allowance tables. It is stated that clubs are required to use these allocation tables (not that they are recommended).

Without any focus on sanctions etc; the bottom line is that clubs are required to use these allocations.

Scr competitions are exactly that ie they aren't modified handicap comps. All Q event handicap adjustment will be based on a players playing handicap, whether thencompetitiin in played as Scr, or with a fixed maximum handicap allowance (permitted).
See the header to Appendix F for the exact wording.
 

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I'm afraid I disagree with Rulefan here.

Responses so far haven't focused on prizes but the running of a competition.

The rules under which a competition may be run as a Q comp are set out clearly in the CONGU manual.

In addition to Q comps there are also recommended handicap allowance tables. It is stated that clubs are required to use these allocation tables (not that they are recommended).

Without any focus on sanctions etc; the bottom line is that clubs are required to use these allocations.

Scr competitions are exactly that ie they aren't modified handicap comps. All Q event handicap adjustment will be based on a players playing handicap, whether thencompetitiin in played as Scr, or with a fixed maximum handicap allowance (permitted).
See the header to Appendix F for the exact wording.
Our club has a few medals with an 18 handicap limit. People with a higher handicap are allowed to enter and play off 18. So people above 18 are not playing off full handicap. Would they allow this or insist we don’t allow people over 18 handicap to enter?
 

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Our club has a few medals with an 18 handicap limit. People with a higher handicap are allowed to enter and play off 18. So people above 18 are not playing off full handicap. Would they allow this or insist we don’t allow people over 18 handicap to enter?
That would fall under the "fixed maximum handicap limit (permitted) bit.
 

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I'm afraid I disagree with Rulefan here.
Dec.1(j) Limitation of handicaps in Qualifying Competitions
Q. May an Affiliated Club impose a limit of handicap to some of their Qualifying Competitions e.g.
insist that a player with a Playing Handicap of 27 competes from a handicap of 18?
A. This is contrary to the spirit of the UHS. Players must be allowed to play from their established
handicap.
The player must play off full handicap and the correct Playing Handicap must be used when
calculating the Competition Scratch Score. The organising Committee may then adjust the
scores for the purpose of awarding prizes for the competition.
 

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Dec.1(j) Limitation of handicaps in Qualifying Competitions
Q. May an Affiliated Club impose a limit of handicap to some of their Qualifying Competitions e.g.
insist that a player with a Playing Handicap of 27 competes from a handicap of 18?
A. This is contrary to the spirit of the UHS. Players must be allowed to play from their established
handicap.
The player must play off full handicap and the correct Playing Handicap must be used when
calculating the Competition Scratch Score. The organising Committee may then adjust the
scores for the purpose of awarding prizes for the competition.
I've included that decision in the post you are referring to, and again in the one before yours #18.


The manual states you must use the handicap allowances in the appendix

The decision states you can use a fixed handicap limit for prizes.

If the intention is to permit reduced handicap allowances for prizes then they should say so and remove the reference to 'must used in the appendix as it becomes a mute point with no function.
 
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