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However it showed how one small problem caused an issue in the chain..

Do you not think cutting ties with our biggest trading partners might not cause a slight issue?
Yes, it showed how stupid panick buying is unnecessary and dumb.

Cutting ties? Why do you say that, we are not stopping trade with the EU, just changing our trading rules. There may well still be a free trade agreement but whether there is or not we will still be trading. EU food growers wont have their products rotting in the fields or warehouses, EU cars wont stop coming into the UK. That talk is just an ongoing project fear and probably a bigger problem for the EU as we have a big trade deficit with them.
 

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Indeed, PPE would have been a better example!
Bog Roll issue was caused by excessive demand at 'final destination'. PPE issue was caused by manufacturers inability to produce enough at one end of chain and insufficient stockpile at t'other. Any 'Brexit-related' supply chain issues are likely to be between Port of Calais and the M20!
I hear that the government are now building 5 [five] European lorry overflow car parks in Kent, seems like we have nothing to worry about with Dover. :eek:

Flour was a strange one during Covid..........huge supplies but unable to mass produce it in small bags seemed a bit weird.
 

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I hear that the government are now building 5 [five] European lorry overflow car parks in Kent, seems like we have nothing to worry about with Dover. :eek:

Flour was a strange one during Covid..........huge supplies but unable to mass produce it in small bags seemed a bit weird.
Those lorry parks were always in the pipeline before brexit anyway due to the issues kent has had for a number of years with operation stack literally closing the M20 for hours and sometimes days on end causing issues for commuters and residents. That's really not new news!
 

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Yes, it showed how stupid panick buying is unnecessary and dumb.

Cutting ties? Why do you say that, we are not stopping trade with the EU, just changing our trading rules. There may well still be a free trade agreement but whether there is or not we will still be trading. EU food growers wont have their products rotting in the fields or warehouses, EU cars wont stop coming into the UK. That talk is just an ongoing project fear and probably a bigger problem for the EU as we have a big trade deficit with them.
Delays will happen, right now companies run on instant ordering

Need a part for a car? Order it next day to arrive to your garage straight through customs done

That will become slower and slower as checks are upped

Just because you don't believe something will happen doesn't make it project fear just means you bury your head in the sand
 

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Delays will happen, right now companies run on instant ordering

Need a part for a car? Order it next day to arrive to your garage straight through customs done

That will become slower and slower as checks are upped

Just because you don't believe something will happen doesn't make it project fear just means you bury your head in the sand
Why would a part ordered today not simply come from a warehouse somewhere in UK - like what happens in the vast majority of cases now?
It'll only be the very rare case that needs to come 'direct from supplier'!
And while I anticipate some delays UK -> EU (which is why the lorry parks are being constructed), I don't anticipate the same sort of delays EU -> UK.

Btw. Even if coming from EU, It should still be ...Need a part for a car? Order it for next day to arrive to your garage customs done - no fuss, tiny delay.
 
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Why would a part ordered today not simply come from a warehouse somewhere in UK - like what happens in the vast majority of cases now?
It'll on be the very rare case that needs to come 'direct from supplier'!
And while I anticipate some delays UK -> EU (which is why the lorry parks are being constructed), I don't anticipate the same sort of delays EU -> UK.

Btw. Even if coming from EU, It should still be ...Need a part for a car? Order it for next day to arrive to your garage customs done - no fuss, tiny delay.
A lot of places replaces warehouses with direct from supplier as if could get the part the next day why need to rent a warehouse? Reduced cost
 

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Delays will happen, right now companies run on instant ordering

Need a part for a car? Order it next day to arrive to your garage straight through customs done

That will become slower and slower as checks are upped

Just because you don't believe something will happen doesn't make it project fear just means you bury your head in the sand

BMW MINI were always 3 days for me.
 

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A lot of places replaces warehouses with direct from supplier as if could get the part the next day why need to rent a warehouse? Reduced cost
Which, in a flexible economy, like UK's is, will mean warehouses will 'pop up' as replacements. And the vehicle industry is an example of where that already happens - It's Euro Car Parts's entire business model!
 

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Delays will happen, right now companies run on instant ordering

Need a part for a car? Order it next day to arrive to your garage straight through customs done

That will become slower and slower as checks are upped

Just because you don't believe something will happen doesn't make it project fear just means you bury your head in the sand
Few car places will order next day from Europe. There will be a UK storage facility that will hold the stock and they will ship next day. They will get x number of shipments in per week from Europe. For the first few months they may have to hold a little more stock, re-order slightly earlier than before but it will be all fairly manageable.

In terms of customs, clearance will be done in advance, not every vehicle will be checked inside and out. The big carriers will go through on trust with the occasional random check. There will be bumps in the road, particularly the first few weeks but the fear guff being pumped out really is just that.
 

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A lot of places replaces warehouses with direct from supplier as if could get the part the next day why need to rent a warehouse? Reduced cost
Amazon, UPS, etc. manage to ship worldwide quite successfully. Veg. and fruit etc come in from Africa, Sth America etc.

UK looking at more Freeports to speed transit at ports.
 

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Which, in a flexible economy, like UK's is, will mean warehouses will 'pop up' as replacements. And the vehicle industry is an example of where that already happens - It's Euro Car Parts's entire business model!
I agree that they will pop up however time will take to adjust.. these sort of issues in the medication department etc should have been agreed and sorted months ago

Like how our flights almost got grounded because they hadn't agreed terms
 

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I agree that they will pop up however time will take to adjust.. these sort of issues in the medication department etc should have been agreed and sorted months ago
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What makes you believe they haven't?
All PPE I've seen comes from PRC! Only rarely is there an issue with Medical supplies - which are often from India anyway.

It'll all be (pretty much) fine! Who knows EU originated Fruit & Veg might even actully be ripe/ready to eat when it arrives!
 

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Delays will happen, right now companies run on instant ordering

Need a part for a car? Order it next day to arrive to your garage straight through customs done

That will become slower and slower as checks are upped

Just because you don't believe something will happen doesn't make it project fear just means you bury your head in the sand
Do you really believe your local garage orders a replacement car part direct from a European manufacturers factory.
 

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Here's a thought.... orders due Jan 2nd don't arrive till the 5th. And those due on the 3rd don't arrive till the 6th. And those due on the 4th don't arrive till the 7th. And those due on the 5th don't arrive till the 8th.

So after the 3 day 'miss,' deliveries arrive every day, just like before.... I am amazed that all those naysayers haven't considered that after the first delay, every delivery is pushed back by pretty much the same amount and deliveries end up being daily as usual. *sigh* its not hard folks, using the odd brain cell.
 

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Here's a thought.... orders due Jan 2nd don't arrive till the 5th. And those due on the 3rd don't arrive till the 6th. And those due on the 4th don't arrive till the 7th. And those due on the 5th don't arrive till the 8th.

So after the 3 day 'miss,' deliveries arrive every day, just like before.... I am amazed that all those naysayers haven't considered that after the first delay, every delivery is pushed back by pretty much the same amount and deliveries end up being daily as usual. *sigh* its not hard folks, using the odd brain cell.
Stop being so sensible, you know people don't like common sense in this place 😂
 

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Here's a thought.... orders due Jan 2nd don't arrive till the 5th. And those due on the 3rd don't arrive till the 6th. And those due on the 4th don't arrive till the 7th. And those due on the 5th don't arrive till the 8th.

So after the 3 day 'miss,' deliveries arrive every day, just like before.... I am amazed that all those naysayers haven't considered that after the first delay, every delivery is pushed back by pretty much the same amount and deliveries end up being daily as usual. *sigh* its not hard folks, using the odd brain cell.
Doesn't get away from the fact that there's a 3 day delay involved though! Which would be no problem (going off/rotting notwithstanding) if it's the same order every day. But for things like Car Parts, that's highly unlikely - and there's almost certainly 'better' ways to handle 'regular' requirements anyway.
 
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Monday Musing... it will all be fine. Spoke to Boris yesterday, he said we will be amazing. Cant find a reason to not believe him.. We are already doing diferent things. We can impose quarantine restrictions on individual parts of Europe already. Just like the Germans wants to sell us cars, the Spanish want our holiday makers.

So everyone control yourself and we will be fine.
 

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Doesn't get away from the fact that there's a 3 day delay involved though! Which would be no problem (going off/rotting notwithstanding) if it's the same order every day. But for things like Car Parts, that's highly unlikely - and there's almost certainly 'better' ways to handle 'regular' requirements anyway.
VOR orders can be airfreight as necessary.
 

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Here's a thought.... orders due Jan 2nd don't arrive till the 5th. And those due on the 3rd don't arrive till the 6th. And those due on the 4th don't arrive till the 7th. And those due on the 5th don't arrive till the 8th.

So after the 3 day 'miss,' deliveries arrive every day, just like before.... I am amazed that all those naysayers haven't considered that after the first delay, every delivery is pushed back by pretty much the same amount and deliveries end up being daily as usual. *sigh* its not hard folks, using the odd brain cell.
That’s very simplistic Bri if it’s a tin of beans or a car part you need.

I’d suggest it’s a bit more worrying when it’s medication and people’s health.

You’ll probably know better than me that certain medications are restricted by prescription and pharmacies/Doctors etc will not issue duplicates to allow people to hoard etc.

We all hope any delays (preferably none at all) will be minor, people won’t be affected and they’ll laugh at themselves for over reacting, but can you really blame them for not being a bit anxious when it’s their health involved.

There are genuine concerns being reported in the media, which we all want to be wrong.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-52959639
 
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