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PNWokingham

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Giving Goldsmith a Life Peerage for doing absolutely nothing but lose elections is pretty much a kick in the teeth for democracy, Morgan I can sort of live with as she resigned as an MP and wasn’t rejected by her constituents.

So now we have we 2 unelected officials in the Cabinet on £70K a year.
i agree - very hard to argue any case for Goldsmith being deserving of a peerage
 

SocketRocket

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IMO there has been a case for reform in the second chamber for a long time. Maybe either a proportional representation of senators based on the house of Commons divisions or an elected body. It can't be right the way parties like the LibDems have such numbers in the HOL. No more life peerages, that's outdated and smells of privilege.
 

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I totally agree that the HOL needs a complete make over. Maybe a much smaller elected chamber of around 200 - 400 members and a fair representation from across the country - not sure of the best way - maybe it should be done on a local authority or even county council basis. I think there should be fixed term positions - maybe 5 or 7 year not hereditary or life membership
 

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i see the one nation tory party are paying back the loaned votes from the working class by cutting workers rights from the WB and dropping the living wage pledge... didn't take them long
 
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i see the one nation tory party are paying back the loaned votes from the working class by cutting workers rights from the WB and dropping the living wage pledge... didn't take them long
I don't get why Johnson is dropping protection of workers rights from the WA given the answer that is given when asked, is that the UK will always be looking to improve upon these rights. So why remove protection of the new 'bottom line' on these rights.

And yes - increases in Living Wage pledged by Javid in the Tory Party conference will now only happen “provided economic conditions allow”. Well, sounds to me that those getting paid the living wage best not be holding their breath...
 

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I don't get why Johnson is dropping protection of workers rights from the WA given the answer that is given when asked, is that the UK will always be looking to improve upon these rights. So why remove protection of the new 'bottom line' on these rights.

And yes - increases in Living Wage pledged by Javid in the Tory Party conference will now only happen “provided economic conditions allow”. Well, sounds to me that those getting paid the living wage best not be holding their breath...
Improve for who would be the question.... ;)
 

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It is not 'cutting' workers rights it is just the removing surplus text from the Act.

The UK has good rights enshrined in regulations which are adopted and well enforced and there is no reason to believe that will change. Many of our EU friends have the legislation but are somewhat lax in its application and enforcement - why do we always paint the UK as the villain?
 
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It is not 'cutting' workers rights it is just the removing surplus text from the Act.

The UK has good rights enshrined in regulations which are adopted and well enforced and there is no reason to believe that will change. Many of our EU friends have the legislation but are somewhat lax in its application and enforcement - why do we always paint the UK as the villain?
So why remove the protections that are in place?
 

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It is not 'cutting' workers rights it is just the removing surplus text from the Act.

The UK has good rights enshrined in regulations which are adopted and well enforced and there is no reason to believe that will change. Many of our EU friends have the legislation but are somewhat lax in its application and enforcement - why do we always paint the UK as the villain?
I remember when the 'working hours directive' was introduced I called our German division and asked how they were implementing it, they said they didnt know anything about it.
 

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being unlected should exclude you from cabinet
I am in two minds about that, because just being elected an MP doesn’t necessarily qualify anyone to be on the cabinet either.
This is where in principle (and if the current guy wouldn’t abuse it) like the US system. The president nominated someone qualified who then is ratified by elected people.
 
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