And, we’re off.......2018/2019

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Let’s be honesty Tashly,what ever you’d said you’d av been on to loser anyway. 🙄

PS and CC98. I love it on this forum, some of the advice I have recieved is fantastic and greatly appreciated, some of the one liners and the crack I have on here, well it's like being back at the pit. But a few months ago, I made a concious decision to ignore a few folk. Everyone has an opinion, I appreciate that. But some folk on here. It is what it is and it ain't changing. Fair enough I can deal with that. But it's when it gets tribal. That I don't need. The negativity, I don't need.
The sun is blasting down and the grandkids are playing with Nanna and grandad. Why do I need to be stressed listening to the negativity on here. Yup I have my thoughts on what's being said. I have my thoughts on how it first came about. But as had been said don't matter what I say, am gonna come off here pissed off. And at the moment am not and life is very very sweet. Apart from me Golf.

So me, am off outside in th sunshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine. Enjoy boys and girls.
 
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Did you miss the sentence in my post that referred to Hillsborough? And where in that song does it mention a guy in a coma?

I didn't associate the "victim's" line with Hillsborough, nor the lad in the coma. All I saw was a bunch of players celebrating. If that is the connotation, I apologise.




"no team or player should be singing about other clubs, regardless of circumstances."

C'mon Paul. not "regardless of circumstances" I stood on the terraces at Ayresome Park for donkey's years singing many songs that where both humorous and gentle banter between fans. My seat at the Riverside was close to the away end and had great banter. Yes there's idiots on both sides but some of the best pints I've had have been with opposition fans, home and away. Had a great time in a pub in Liverpool a couple of seasons back with the red fans before the game. Was the only Boro fan in a pub in Sheffield last year, sat with a couple of dozen Wednesday fans. In both cases there was banter and singing. Its part and parcel of the game, and long may it continue.
Team or player Bri, ie, those in an official capacity, I put all teams have kn@bhead fans.
Team officials, etc set the tone.
 

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Team or player Bri, ie, those in an official capacity, I put all teams have kn@bhead fans.
Team officials, etc set the tone.
Why can't a team and its officials have a sing, e.g. Queen's "We are the champions." I disagree with you on the no singing under any circumstances. If the City players knew the connotations of victims, as has been explained for those of us who didn't know, then yes it was wrong.

For the bit about Kompany catching Salah, wrong at the time of the offence but banter in the song.

As for any other comments, I'm with Tashy. There's bits I could add but as DCB says, its too emotive a subject and is best left alone.
 

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Who said they don't know it happened, you're just looking for an angle. It was nearly 30 years ago and these tragedies eventually fade from our collective memory, do you honestly believe those city players were deliberately wanting to cause offense to the families of those who died? Like i said, most wouldn't have had a clue
Ignorance is not an excuse!
Maybe you could draw up a list of the subjects that it’s ok to class as banter, people died, surely if you are an educated, tolerant individual and someone told you “regardless of your intent, what you are saying I find offensive” any normal human being would show some respect and refrain from saying it.
 

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Why can't a team and its officials have a sing, e.g. Queen's "We are the champions." I disagree with you on the no singing under any circumstances. If the City players knew the connotations of victims, as has been explained for those of us who didn't know, then yes it was wrong.

For the bit about Kompany catching Salah, wrong at the time of the offence but banter in the song.

As for any other comments, I'm with Tashy. There's bits I could add but as DCB says, its too emotive a subject and is best left alone.
Seriously! You are equating a pop song to a fans chant taking the p!ss out of rivals and risking offending them.
 

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For me it all seems very much out of character and strange considering how both teams have been this season - it’s been tight all the way through the season right up until the last 45 mins and both teams have acted with grace and respect for each other , there have been no mind games , no silly sly digs - both managers and players have been nothing but complimentary of each other as each game has gone by. When the final whistle went Liverpool players and managers congratulated City on a great win and the City players and manager acknowledged the part Liverpool played and again it was very respectful. It made the season really feel like such an amazing season

- and then to see the video and the have to ask why ? Why the need to do it - the words are harmful for a good number of people and they have over the years pointed towards very harmful events and it crossed the line and you wondered if that respect for each other which seemed genuine just gone - I wonder what Pep thinks now - a person who has been the embodiment of their respect for their opponents. Teams and fans will always at times sing about opponents and some will always use certain words which are just not banter - and saying “they are just words” for me is extremely ignorant especially when more and more recognise how harmful the written word or spoken word can be.

It’s such a shame that this incident has left a bit of a sour taste after such a wonderful season for both clubs - and it’s also a shame to see City try and brush it away - have a feeling their manager won’t be a happy man
 

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Seriously! You are equating a pop song to a fans chant taking the p!ss out of rivals and risking offending them.
And now you're being way too sensitive!!! At least read everything I wrote AND digest it. Listen, not just hear.

You have said officials shouldn't sing songs under any circumstances, or do you just mean songs that reference things like Hillsborough or Munich? I said why can't they have, in effect, a general sing song? Are they supposed to just sit quietly drinking tea from china cups? Where have I equated a pop song with a rival's chant that would offend people? You really need to dial it back a bit Paul, as it looks like the red mist is taking over.

You will also see that I have already apologised for not realising it was about Hillsborough. Hillsborough, Munich, Bradford & Heysel should never ever be forgotten and deserves the greatest respect and deference.

But that doesn't seem to stop people not accepting the apology with the good grace it was given with. The holier than thou "is extremely ignorant" from LiverpoolPhil typifies the ignorance from some 'pool fans too. Not everyone survives on every word coming out of the Liverpool Echo.
 

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And now you're being way too sensitive!!! At least read everything I wrote AND digest it. Listen, not just hear.

You have said officials shouldn't sing songs under any circumstances, or do you just mean songs that reference things like Hillsborough or Munich? I said why can't they have, in effect, a general sing song? Are they supposed to just sit quietly drinking tea from china cups? Where have I equated a pop song with a rival's chant that would offend people? You really need to dial it back a bit Paul, as it looks like the red mist is taking over.

You will also see that I have already apologised for not realising it was about Hillsborough. Hillsborough, Munich, Bradford & Heysel should never ever be forgotten and deserves the greatest respect and deference.

But that doesn't seem to stop people not accepting the apology with the good grace it was given with. The holier than thou "is extremely ignorant" from LiverpoolPhil typifies the ignorance from some 'pool fans too. Not everyone survives on every word coming out of the Liverpool Echo.
You are missing the point, lets agree for one moment it’s not about Hillsborough or Sean Cox.

They said in their statement it was about fans in Kiev and Kompany’s tackle.

Professional Footballers should not be singing about any fans of any team getting beat up and certainly not about one of their players injuring another.

Hundreds of other songs could of been sung, not one mocking rivals.

Totally unprofessional from the Man City Staff.
 

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You are missing the point, lets agree for one moment it’s not about Hillsborough or Sean Cox.

They said in their statement it was about fans in Kiev and Kompany’s tackle.

Professional Footballers should not be singing about any fans of any team getting beat up and certainly not about one of their players injuring another.

Hundreds of other songs could of been song, not one mocking rivals.

Totally unprofessional from the Man City Staff.
We totally agree. Maybe we've been getting the fullstops and commas mixed up.
 

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And now you're being way too sensitive!!! At least read everything I wrote AND digest it. Listen, not just hear.

You have said officials shouldn't sing songs under any circumstances, or do you just mean songs that reference things like Hillsborough or Munich? I said why can't they have, in effect, a general sing song? Are they supposed to just sit quietly drinking tea from china cups? Where have I equated a pop song with a rival's chant that would offend people? You really need to dial it back a bit Paul, as it looks like the red mist is taking over.

You will also see that I have already apologised for not realising it was about Hillsborough. Hillsborough, Munich, Bradford & Heysel should never ever be forgotten and deserves the greatest respect and deference.

But that doesn't seem to stop people not accepting the apology with the good grace it was given with. The holier than thou "is extremely ignorant" from LiverpoolPhil typifies the ignorance from some 'pool fans too. Not everyone survives on every word coming out of the Liverpool Echo.

The comment wasn’t aimed at yourself as I don’t believe you have said anything disrespectful on here or anything that needed apologising for.
 
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Ignorance is not an excuse!
Maybe you could draw up a list of the subjects that it’s ok to class as banter, people died, surely if you are an educated, tolerant individual and someone told you “regardless of your intent, what you are saying I find offensive” any normal human being would show some respect and refrain from saying it.
You're clearly incapable of separating emotion from logical thought. I'll leave you to it.
 

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The comment wasn’t aimed at yourself as I don’t believe you have said anything disrespectful on here or anything that needed apologising for.
I apologised for my ignorance, and it looked like you were lumping me in because of ignorance.

The good thing is I'm off out to a beachside bar for a beer(s) and some tapas. I promise to come back way more relaxed.
 

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I apologised for my ignorance, and it looked like you were lumping me in because of ignorance.
Not at all and apologies if it seemed that way - you put across your view of the incident in a respectful way and could understand the significance of the words used when Pete posted about it , i suspect the players also maybe didn’t understand the significance and prob got a touch carried away. It’s a shame that the club though have just brushed it off.
 
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Anyone surprised about this stuff? City fans used to sing 'TOWN FULL OF MUNICHS' to every away ground when they were in League One and the Championship.

Liverpool fans started a monopoly on mocking a tragedy. See the Munich 58 banners in the Kop in the 70's and 80's. It was only after their own disasters they calmed down and tried to bury it under the carpet.

It's all utterly pathetic and no side can take any moral high ground. I've heard United fans sing about Heysel and Hillsborough, even Chelsea fans do the same to this day. Disgusting.

The only difference is Liverpool fans are always the first to find fault and the last to accept any wrongdoing. I love Klopp, the attiitude and work ethic of the current Liverpool side but I was jumping up and down Sunday when City won it cos of the fans attitude over the last few decades. No bias, just a neutral view on it.
 
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