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i was at an IPL match couple of years ago. There was a virtual reality stall where you could bat. Sensors on helmet and bat. I chose to face Brett Lee. As i looked thru the visor, all i saw was BL running in and doing some hand gesture. Never saw the ball hit the stump. Then you see the likes of Kohli, Smith, Stokes make it so easy and pre-planned. Super humans
I know everyone has different reaction times but I’ve never understood how some guys can literally make 85mph bowling look slow when I can’t see it when I’ve been stupid and put the bowling machine up to 80
 
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I know everyone has different reaction times but I’ve never understood how some guys can literally make 85mph bowling look slow when I can’t see it when I’ve been stupid and put the bowling machine up to 80
Bowling machines are harder though because there's no gather like you get in a bowling action but I do agree it is crazy watching a test batsmen getting a good stride forward defence shot to an 85mph bowler
 

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Bowling machines are harder though because there's no gather like you get in a bowling action but I do agree it is crazy watching a test batsmen getting a good stride forward defence shot to an 85mph bowler
But it’s not like they can’t get strides in to archer or starc when they’re bowling 95 mph
I’d like to see how fast it would have to get before the best batsmen in the world struggled to see it and play a shot
 
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But it’s not like they can’t get strides in to archer or starc when they’re bowling 95 mph
I’d like to see how fast it would have to get before the best batsmen in the world struggled to see it and play a shot
An ex test batsmen once told me he'd picked the length of the delivery up in the first foot or so of the ball leaving the bowlers hand so he was going back or forward based on that and the line then dictated the shot. Total revelation to me as someone who had just lent on his bat and watched it off the pitch
 

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An ex test batsmen once told me he'd picked the length of the delivery up in the first foot or so of the ball leaving the bowlers hand so he was going back or forward based on that and the line then dictated the shot. Total revelation to me as someone who had just lent on his bat and watched it off the pitch
And that’s the key, picking up the length early and then playing the right shot for that length. With express pace you play with your instinct and talent. If you commit to the wrong shot or guess, then you look stupid! Facing real fast bowling was something you got used to but certainly at the start if you weren’t used to it, it would catch you out.

I’ll also backup you guys in facing dibbly dobblers...one guy was my nemesis as he bowled off the wrong foot at trundler pace....I just couldn’t pick the ball clearly!
 

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I opened as well and preferred a proper quick, within reason, and hated the dibbly dobbler nagging length type bowler. Guaranteed to hole out or head to go up and get clean bowled with only the bails falling off because they're that bloody slow
I was that bowler! On first change, quicks are moaning cos the batsmen have played and missed 10 times and the slips dropped 3. I come on, eyes light up and either a bowled or mistimed chip up of to mid-off. Nearly every week!
 

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While we speak a lot about the batsman's reaction to a Bret Lee-esq delivery. Spare a thought for the guys in the slips who have to latch onto a missile with their bare hands. Even worse in the gully when the batsman has slashed it. Little wonder everyone seems to be taping up
 

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While we speak a lot about the batsman's reaction to a Bret Lee-esq delivery. Spare a thought for the guys in the slips who have to latch onto a missile with their bare hands. Even worse in the gully when the batsman has slashed it. Little wonder everyone seems to be taping up
Can't remember the number but Sky did a focus on reaction time in the slips of the quicks and it was scarily quick. Given the pace of the ball coming off the bat too I am surprised just how cleanly they take it more often of not and how few bad finger injuries there are
 
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I think the message is he is done now as an international player - as you say he is an idiot but not many better as a ODI player , not sure why at times England appear not to give second chances
oh its very person selective thats for sure, not as if as a set up theyve forced out gifted batsmen before is it lol
 

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I think the message is he is done now as an international player - as you say he is an idiot but not many better as a ODI player , not sure why at times England appear not to give second chances
How do we know he is not on his 3rd or 4th chance? I genuinely don't know but the impression I got at the time he was sent home is that he has been warned previously and so he was not on his second chance, it was further down the line than that.

At the end of the day the England team is a very professional set up, there are other options now. If you mess up the chances of getting back in are much reduced. No one else to blame on this.
 
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How do we know he is not on his 3rd or 4th chance? I genuinely don't know but the impression I got at the time he was sent home is that he has been warned previously and so he was not on his second chance, it was further down the line than that.

At the end of the day the England team is a very cliquey set up, there are other options now. If youre face doesnt fit the chances of getting back in are much reduced. No one else to blame on this.
edited that for you ;)
 

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edited that for you ;)
Ha ha. Possibly so. Then again, maybe that team is settled and they don't need someone disrupting how they operate? After all, the England One Day team is a very slick and successful team. Why put up with a player who disrupts if they can win without them? I know that you play cricket, or have, so you know that team harmony is important.
 
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Ha ha. Possibly so. Then again, maybe that team is settled and they don't need someone disrupting how they operate? After all, the England One Day team is a very slick and successful team. Why put up with a player who disrupts if they can win without them? I know that you play cricket, or have, so you know that team harmony is important.

its important but massively overrated compared to picking your best players imo, and reflects as poorly on the coach/captain as the individual that they are unable to manage it better, still far too many faces fit selections rather than best player selections from England over the years and recently
 

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its important but massively overrated compared to picking your best players imo, and reflects as poorly on the coach/captain as the individual that they are unable to manage it better, still far too many faces fit selections rather than best player selections from England over the years and recently
I think that is a hard one to judge from outside the dressing room. Only those inside know how much that type of player has been managed, looked after, bent over for. Even for the best there comes a point where it is to the detriment of the team and at that point they have to go. It may be that the coach and captain have done a great job to even get him to the point he reached.

Faces fitting has always been an issue, certain counties prioritised. Let's face it, you have a much better chance of getting a game if you are at Surrey than Glos for example, always has been the case.
 
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oh its very person selective thats for sure, not as if as a set up theyve forced out gifted batsmen before is it lol
He's about as popular as coronavirus with many of the squad.

Very talented but, rather like KP before him, if you can succeed without him why put up with the disruption.

After all it's not as if we didn't win the World Cup anyway.
 
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He's about as popular as coronavirus with many of the squad.

Very talented but, rather like KP before him, if you can succeed without him why put up with the disruption.

After all it's not as if we didn't win the World Cup anyway.

not going over the KP situation again lol

lets not forget England were very fortunate to win the world cup, maybe theyd have won at a canter if they picked their best side ;)
 
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