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    Cracks in the ground

    Due to the dry conditions we have some shocking cracks opening up one in particular was as deep as a ball.

    I was at another local club and noticed a notice stating free relief if your ball is on a crack, is this allowed, it is abnormal ground condition but not one listed in the rules.

    It would certainly make sense to allow relief
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    Re: Cracks in the ground

    It certainly qualifies as "abnormal" - it ain't GUR etc. so I can't see why a local rule would be wrong.

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    Re: Cracks in the ground

    Quote Originally Posted by louise_a View Post
    Due to the dry conditions we have some shocking cracks opening up one in particular was as deep as a ball.

    I was at another local club and noticed a notice stating free relief if your ball is on a crack, is this allowed, it is abnormal ground condition but not one listed in the rules.

    It would certainly make sense to allow relief
    The problem with that definition as posTed is the definition of cracking ie you would basically be able to take relief at any time!

    In principle it's a permitted LR situation but there needs to be some clarification. Don't have easy access to the rules for a few days but I thought there was a wording around this somewhere - probably in the appendix on ground conditions and LRs

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    Re: Cracks in the ground

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    Q.Are cracks in the earth which occur in hot and dry conditions ground under repair? Do the Rules of Golf provide relief?


    A.No. However, a player whose ball is in a large crack would be justified in requesting the Committee to declare the crack to be ground under repair, and the Committee would be justified in doing so.

    I am presuming from this decision that a club would not be able to have a general local rule but would be able to give relief in specific locations.
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    Re: Cracks in the ground

    Quote Originally Posted by jim8flog View Post
    25/12

    Cracks in Earth

    Q.Are cracks in the earth which occur in hot and dry conditions ground under repair? Do the Rules of Golf provide relief?


    A.No. However, a player whose ball is in a large crack would be justified in requesting the Committee to declare the crack to be ground under repair, and the Committee would be justified in doing so.

    I am presuming from this decision that a club would not be able to have a general local rule but would be able to give relief in specific locations.
    This is very big job when they are appearing all over the course.
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    Re: Cracks in the ground

    I know its no longer fashionable but 'common sense' would surely say that if the crack is sufficient that a ball is either stopped by or sits with (say 25%) a 'crack' then that is abnormal.

    The real-world probability of it occurring would be pretty low so I can't see that giving relief would be likely to influence scores in a major way.

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    Re: Cracks in the ground

    Quote Originally Posted by jim8flog View Post
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    Cracks in Earth

    Q.Are cracks in the earth which occur in hot and dry conditions ground under repair? Do the Rules of Golf provide relief?


    A.No. However, a player whose ball is in a large crack would be justified in requesting the Committee to declare the crack to be ground under repair, and the Committee would be justified in doing so.

    I am presuming from this decision that a club would not be able to have a general local rule but would be able to give relief in specific locations.
    Cheers Jim, that's one thing I was thinking about.

    My interpretation of this, as posted above, is that the committee may make a LR permitting relief (from such cracks) providing that they are able to define them in a manner that meets the principle within the decision. The last post above includes what I would consider an appropriate attempt. Something along the lines of the ball sitting in a crack of more than 1/2" (13mm) width at that point.

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    Re: Cracks in the ground

    One day they might get the rules right, like greens if your in the fairway you should be able at all times to lift clean and place crack divot or bad lie. anything else play it as it lies.
    unrepaired pitch marks and on the fringe again a penalty for the person who hasn't done anything wrong chipping onto the green from a fairway lie. backwards thinking.


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    Re: Cracks in the ground

    Quote Originally Posted by OnTour View Post
    One day they might get the rules right, like greens if your in the fairway you should be able at all times to lift clean and place crack divot or bad lie. anything else play it as it lies.
    unrepaired pitch marks and on the fringe again a penalty for the person who hasn't done anything wrong chipping onto the green from a fairway lie. backwards thinking.


    common sense golf rules.
    hmmm.. not sure about this. Golf isn't fair, part of the game is (within reason) the ability to overcome adversity.

    As for the cracks, would the local rule be through the green or just on close mown areas?

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    Re: Cracks in the ground

    Quote Originally Posted by OnTour View Post
    One day they might get the rules right, like greens if your in the fairway you should be able at all times to lift clean and place crack divot or bad lie. anything else play it as it lies.
    unrepaired pitch marks and on the fringe again a penalty for the person who hasn't done anything wrong chipping onto the green from a fairway lie. backwards thinking.


    common sense golf rules.
    Rules are pretty much fine as they are!

    In many ways, 'Golf' can be considered a reflection of real life and the character of the person who may be disadvantaged by their ball ending up randomly in a poor situation. Part of the game (and of many other sports, but golf seems more 'cerebral' than others) is how the player reacts to such situations. Like in life, those that shrug it off and get on with the rest of the round are more likely to be successful than those that let a particular event fester!

    So instead of swearing and letting a bad situation ruin your round, just let it wash over you and make the best of it - just as you should in real life!
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