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    Re: Brexit - or Article 50: the Pheonix!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dando View Post
    next he'll want the remainers pets added to total
    Only those old enough to vote of course!! So probably a fair few tortoises!!

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    Re: Brexit - or Article 50: the Pheonix!

    Quote Originally Posted by PieMan View Post

    With sincere apologies to Pete Townshend "Meet the new thread; same as the old thread"!!!
    Well let's hope we don't get fooled again

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    Re: Brexit - or Article 50: the Pheonix!

    Quote Originally Posted by PieMan View Post
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    With sincere apologies to Pete Townshend "Meet the new thread; same as the old thread"!!!
    Consistency then!

    Btw! Townshend's lyrics also seem pretty appropriate to Brexit imo!
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    Re: Brexit - or Article 50: the Pheonix!

    Quote Originally Posted by SwingsitlikeHogan View Post
    So you still believe that it is a FACT that there has always been a plan for Brexit and that the government has been following it assiduously. Got any evidence of that?
    Please tell me where I said that?
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    Re: Brexit - or Article 50: the Pheonix!

    Let be honest with ourselves

    It was also going to be a long and complex process for the UK to leave the EU and ensure that we donít screw ourselves over and make sure that we get the best deal possible

    Itís not harming anyone by taking their time - I donít recall any specific timetable so Iím pretty sure itís best for us all to make sure itís done properly as opposed to quickly.

    As long as whatever happens is in our best interest then I donít care if they have to take their time doing it

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    Re: Brexit - or Article 50: the Pheonix!

    Quote Originally Posted by SwingsitlikeHogan View Post
    BTW - what happened to that plan that 2yrs ago you and others were adamant in telling us all that the government had for the negotiations, but that we could not be told about as telling us would undermine the negotiations.

    Is it possible that there never was a plan - that there might have been aspirational objectives al la the Lancaster House speech - but in fact there has never been a plan.

    But I suspect that we will never hear an admission that we were duped into thinking that there was a plan when in fact nothing of the sort ever existed. And the evidence for the lack of a plan? Well - look at the mess the negotiations and the government is in - and look at today's meeting...

    What a shower - what a shambles.

    Brexit means Brexit? What a vacuous and meaningless catch phrase as that is all it is.

    They need us more than we need them? Well maybe some thought this at the outset - but given where we are today do we still think that..?
    I tend to remember it being you that became rabid suggesting we need a plan and that the Pm hadn't sent you a personal copy of one. My preferred plan was always the same; Leave the EU, single market, customs union, stop free movement and adopt a points based immigration system, no more influence from the ECJ, try and agree a free trade agreement but if the EU play hard then walk from it and adopt WTO rules which would be better for us.

    That was my plan and a bold honest one.
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    Re: Brexit - or Article 50: the Pheonix!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dando View Post
    you forgot about those who didn't vote as they were clearly happy with the way things were and so should be added to the remainers total.

    next he'll want the remainers pets added to total
    Ah, but the intelligent people say that the minority won the vote because the population is 66 million, and only 17.4million voted Leave.

    i guess that means the UK has had seriously minority governments since God knows when....wonder if it was Alister Campbell who came up with that level spin, or maybe someone closer to home
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    Re: Brexit - or Article 50: the Pheonix!

    Brexit means Brexit? What a vacuous and meaningless catch phrase as that is all it is.

    - well Cameron spent £9million on a really clear definition. It was only after the loss, excuse 733/12 came out

    They need us more than we need them? Well maybe some thought this at the outset - but given where we are today do we still think that..?

    Yes. Evidenced by the massive effort being made by them to block it. (of course you will not know what these are!
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    Re: Brexit - or Article 50: the Pheonix!

    Remain = Get shafted by EU greedy politicians, big business and the banks
    Leave = Get shafted by UK greedy politicians, big business and the banks

    Heads they win, tails you lose it is, was and ever will be thus.

    Arsenal vs Tottenham football vs rugby, old vs young rich vs poor right wing vs left wing, republic vs democrat, capitalism vs socialism, good vs bad, light vs dark ying vs yang.....

    We fall for it every friggin time take a side and then finger point and snipe and tell each other how stupid the other side is instead of where it really should be directed - why and who has caused it all to fall out of bed so badly, who gains what and who wins what we already know who will lose (that's us the proles by the way).

    Democracy is an illusion of choice we effectively get to choose between a red chair, a blue chair, a yellow chair, a green chair or a purple chair. No one ever questions why are we being asked to choose a chair and sit down.

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    Re: Brexit - or Article 50: the Pheonix!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasonr View Post
    Remain = Get shafted by EU greedy politicians, big business and the banks
    Leave = Get shafted by UK greedy politicians, big business and the banks

    Heads they win, tails you lose it is, was and ever will be thus.

    Arsenal vs Tottenham football vs rugby, old vs young rich vs poor right wing vs left wing, republic vs democrat, capitalism vs socialism, good vs bad, light vs dark ying vs yang.....

    We fall for it every friggin time take a side and then finger point and snipe and tell each other how stupid the other side is instead of where it really should be directed - why and who has caused it all to fall out of bed so badly, who gains what and who wins what we already know who will lose (that's us the proles by the way).

    Democracy is an illusion of choice we effectively get to choose between a red chair, a blue chair, a yellow chair, a green chair or a purple chair. No one ever questions why are we being asked to choose a chair and sit down.

    Hard to argue with that..........when I went to Uni doing Politics, my (engineer) dad laughed and said "they are all no bleedin good!" Easy degree son! I hoped he was joking
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