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    Re: Opinions on BRS - Help me!

    Quote Originally Posted by duncan mackie View Post
    I'm guessing the concept of turning up without knowing who you will be playing with isn't high on your list either?
    I am not speaking for JB on this but I think this may answer your question. For comps I will put my name down with a single player or two players that I may not know. I am happy to do that. You can still have that with BRS. BRS simply guarantees your tee time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patricks148 View Post
    that's what happens a lot at my place particularly on sat mornings. We play around the same time most Sat mornings and the sheet is full till 1pm every week, but very often half don't turn up and the club has not done anything to sanction the repeat offenders on this.
    This is like blaming the putter and not the person holding it. This fault is with your club, not the booking system.

    Surely the same could occur at clubs where people go into the clubhouse the week before and write their name on sheet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maninblack4612 View Post
    My club have decided to give BRS a trial. Before making the decision a poll was taken of the members. 128 voted for the trial & 120 against, so a bit Brexitish. In my view the vote should not have taken place until after the trial but at least it went the right way, in my view.

    There has been an animated discussion on the club’s Facebook page with some vociferous opposition. It is proposed that, initially, BRS will only apply to competitions & visitors, whose times will be strictly controlled. Arguments against are mainly 1. It will cost the club a lot of money, i.e. one fourball a day, at a time chosen by the club. 2. People will not be able to roll up & play when they want & 3. Big group roll ups will not be able to play at their usual time because they will not know until the day how many & who are playing. 4. A general “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”

    I don’t think that any of the “con” arguments hold water. I think that many of the “free” fourballs won’t be sold & the other points are easily overcome with proper management. I see the advantages as far outweighing the disadvantages.

    So, opinions please. People whose clubs have BRS, how does it work? How are the perceived “cons” dealt with. What are the plus points? I intend to share this thread with my club’s Committee &, hopefully, give our members a better view of how it will work.
    We had exactly the same issue at ours MIB. My opinion is that it has worked well. The roll ups have blocked out times, people can book at time for their knockouts and you can see well in advance how busy the course is. As per normal, 99.9% of the time in the evenings is pretty quiet and you dont need to book a time.

    The only slight on it I have is that you have to be on the ball when the competitions open (9pm Wed evenings) if you want a specific time in the morning or early afternoon. Our competitions are always full and well supported so they fill up fast. Previously , it was a sign up sheet in the clubhouse.
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    Re: Opinions on BRS - Help me!

    I have noticed at one of the clubs, that use online booking, tee times will get booked in advance and then sometimes they go unbooked quite close to day(either day before or two). Which I always think is a bit naughty and abuse of the system but works for us as tend to book up a day or two before going, so we fit in.

    Don't have a problem with online booking etc but do think that non members should not be allowed to book for a casual round until say 1-5 days prior to the day, so that members are 'given priority' over tee times especially at the weekend.
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    Couldn't imagine using anything else. A fair and equitable system where everyone is treated the same. I book a time and I know I'm playing that time. If I go on to look for a certain time and its gone then tough luck - I should be better organised

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tyrion View Post
    This is like blaming the putter and not the person holding it. This fault is with your club, not the booking system.

    Surely the same could occur at clubs where people go into the clubhouse the week before and write their name on sheet.
    at no point do i say its BRS fault , i was replying to sweep in his point about a full sheet and an almost empty course, which is sometimes that case some Saturdays at mine.

    The fault is def with the club, but also the members who abuse the booking System

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tyrion View Post
    Sweep, I am not going to quote your whole piece but will answer your latter point. Your worry is based on an extremely busy course. Perhaps I am not fully grasping your fears because I have not experienced that. I may play after work today but I haven't even looked at BRS yet. I don't need to, I know there will be space. I may not even book, on the app on my phone, until I leave work. I can book that last minute, no need for a decision two weeks in advance. Of course I may look at the app, discover 5 x 4 balls clogging the course and decide either not to go out or go later. For me, I'd rather know that now than just turning up at the club and wasting my time.

    If your course is that busy then BRS would surely tidy it up, organise it?

    On comp day our numbers are not huge but booking is opened 7 days in advance. That helps prevent the blind booking out of slots as people know at that point whether they can play one week in advance or not. We don't get late drop outs as a matter of course.

    It is not the bogey man that people see unless your club use it solely to sell quiet slots. If that starts to dominate then it is a different matter but that is a problem for the club not the booking system.
    Thats my point. Our course is fairly busy but without BRS I have never had to wait for more than one game to be out of range of the first tee before I could go. So my question is, why extend the use of BRS to cover non competition times? It can only be to facilitate the sale of tee times to non members. So my fear is exactly that, that it will be used to sell out tee times and it will start to dominate.

    I have no issue with using BRS for competition times. That’s when it works best and if it was used solely for that purpose I would recommend it to anyone.

    I have no issue with the booking system. It’s a great system. My only issue and it’s a serious one is extending its use beyond booking in for competitions. I accept that this is a club issue and not a system issue. But as I said in my original reply, once the system is in place it may well prove too tempting for a club not to extend it’s use to cover all tee times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patricks148 View Post
    at no point do i say its BRS fault , i was replying to sweep in his point about a full sheet and an almost empty course, which is sometimes that case some Saturdays at mine.

    The fault is def with the club, but also the members who abuse the booking System
    Apologies, I was overly sensitive as people seem to be blaming the system at every turn, or looking to blame it, when it is not the system that is at fault. Your last sentence is spot on.

    Sweep - Just seen your last post. Is your a members club or is it owned by someone? Will you get a chance to keep it as it is or will you get a chance to vote on it should the situation arises where the club wants to extend the booking system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tyrion View Post
    Apologies, I was overly sensitive as people seem to be blaming the system at every turn, or looking to blame it, when it is not the system that is at fault. Your last sentence is spot on.

    Sweep - Just seen your last post. Is your a members club or is it owned by someone? Will you get a chance to keep it as it is or will you get a chance to vote on it should the situation arises where the club wants to extend the booking system?
    We are a members club.
    The extension of the use of BRS to cover all tee times was announced a few weeks ago, so the new arrangements are now in place. There is always the option of bringing the matter to the AGM which is 9 months away or even forcing an EGM.
    I have written to the committee outlining my concerns but that may make no difference.
    TBH, I think a lot of members won’t be too fussed because they won’t realise what they have lost and won’t think about the potential issues. When I have spoken to members about it, their initial reaction is “what’s the problem?” When I explain it to them the look on their faces change.
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    Re: Opinions on BRS - Help me!

    My club (a members cub) did a 6month trial over a summer a couple of years back. We sorted out a way of reserving slots for roll-ups sufficient to cover most eventualities. If we found that we might need more slots on any day we sent groups out before our reserved slots if slots were available - and just extended beyond our reserved slots. It seemed to work OK.

    But a vote of the membership at the end of the trial period comprehensively rejected the tee booking system for other than club competitions (normal historic club practice in any case). Main reason was loss of flexibility especially loss of being able to just turn up at the club and take your turn on the tee.

    That said - we are in the fortunate position of being financially stable and have a full membership and a waiting list - so we have much less reliance on visitors and societies than we did a few years ago - though as we are all rather proud of our club and track and like to 'show it off' we would always try and be as accommodating as possible to visitors and societies - making us as accessible as possible without an on-line open BRS.
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    ...well from 10.0 to 9.4 this year would be nice.

    And last medal of the year (Oct) saw me play to handicap but CSS was +1 so that was me down 0.2 from 8.3 to 8.1

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