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    Re: Woodhall Spa - Hotchkin

    Quote Originally Posted by Grieve14 View Post
    I was there playing it today too, haven't been for 2 years but I felt the changes had taken something away from the course.. areas looks barren and holes that were previously tree lined had just been opened up into nothing. I thought it was a shame, the course is great but I preferred it how it was previously.
    Quote Originally Posted by MetalMickie View Post
    When Hotchkin designed the course he did not envisage it becoming tree lined.

    Hence, like several other leading heathland courses, a programme has been undertaken to return these tracks to how they were intended to play.

    To my mind these changes will only benefit Woodhall.
    Quote Originally Posted by PNWokingham View Post
    totally agree - always loved the course but i love heathland courses when they open ip all the tree encroachment and let them breathe - i only hope Doak doesn't soften any of the great huge bomb-like bunkers - Phil also loved many of these the last time we played a couple of years ago with Rick and Rich - a great memory!
    Quote Originally Posted by VVega View Post
    A few are softened, e.g. the right one by the 6th green, in the spirit of the original design as they got built up over the years. Some are removed, e.g. the one on the corner of the 10th dogleg. But fear not it is still a course which has to be navigated through like a minefield
    Totally get some comments as its all down to personal opinions and its always good to hear what people think.

    The Hotchkin is a heathland course that due to the trees that have been left to grow was gradually turning into a parkland course, in reality they should have been dealt with 30 years ago but have been left to encroach on the golf course, Tom Doak has been brought in to sort the course out and get it back to what it should be, a classic heathland golf course.

    I know its the initial shock for most people with the trees on 6, 16 and 17 that are now gone but within 2 years all the heather that couldn't grow due to the trees will all return and it will be back to how it was when Hotchkin designed the course, Tom Doak has gone through most of the bunkers and reshaped them and made some a lot fairer to play from, he took the one from the fairway on 10 out as he felt it didn't fit in with the rest of the course and he also felt that 10 should be a good opportunity for birdie, the work he has done on the 6th and 14th is just staggering, the bunker complexes are just superb.

    It will be very interesting to see what he does this winter when he does 1,2,3,4,15 an 18. Hole 2 for me will be really interesting with the monster deep bunkers off the fairway.
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    Looking forward to playing this on Saturday, please weather be kind.

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    Re: Woodhall Spa - Hotchkin

    Quote Originally Posted by Lincoln Quaker View Post
    Totally get some comments as its all down to personal opinions and its always good to hear what people think.

    The Hotchkin is a heathland course that due to the trees that have been left to grow was gradually turning into a parkland course, in reality they should have been dealt with 30 years ago but have been left to encroach on the golf course, Tom Doak has been brought in to sort the course out and get it back to what it should be, a classic heathland golf course.

    I know its the initial shock for most people with the trees on 6, 16 and 17 that are now gone but within 2 years all the heather that couldn't grow due to the trees will all return and it will be back to how it was when Hotchkin designed the course, Tom Doak has gone through most of the bunkers and reshaped them and made some a lot fairer to play from, he took the one from the fairway on 10 out as he felt it didn't fit in with the rest of the course and he also felt that 10 should be a good opportunity for birdie, the work he has done on the 6th and 14th is just staggering, the bunker complexes are just superb.

    It will be very interesting to see what he does this winter when he does 1,2,3,4,15 an 18. Hole 2 for me will be really interesting with the monster deep bunkers off the fairway.
    Personally I'm delighted that all these classic heathland courses are removing all the trees that spoil the original playing characteristics, they are much better courses for it

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    Re: Woodhall Spa - Hotchkin

    Quote Originally Posted by drive4show View Post
    Personally I'm delighted that all these classic heathland courses are removing all the trees that spoil the original playing characteristics, they are much better courses for it
    Agree with that, at first I was unsure but as I have now played the Hotchkin a few times I think it is better for it, once all the heather regrows I am sure it will be back to been brutal.
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    Re: Woodhall Spa - Hotchkin

    The removal of the trees where a welcome addition, I remember them starting to suffocate the holes a bit and they just didnít sit in with the course , especially when at the bottom was just covered in rubbish growth. When the heather grows in the areas itís going to look superb

    The bunkers were superb , raw , a shot penalty but you could get out and give yourself a chance , they were consistent which is what should be the main aim

    I did have a little giggle to myself on the second remembering Ricks video of Paul taking his 12 shots 😂 just after Paul had videoed Rick taking a few

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    Re: Woodhall Spa - Hotchkin

    Quote Originally Posted by drive4show View Post
    Personally I'm delighted that all these classic heathland courses are removing all the trees that spoil the original playing characteristics, they are much better courses for it
    Could not imagine Sunningdale old without the trees.

    Certainly don't agree with the 'much better courses for it' and other than purists not sure the majority of the members will agree with that. Some holes will be but some wont be.

    For me generally I would pick a tree based heathland course over any other tree/non tree based course and I don't really give a hoot over how they were originally designed and don't feel it is important, courses change, landscapes change

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    Re: Woodhall Spa - Hotchkin

    Quote Originally Posted by ADA View Post
    Could not imagine Sunningdale old without the trees.

    Certainly don't agree with the 'much better courses for it' and other than purists not sure the majority of the members will agree with that. Some holes will be but some wont be.

    For me generally I would pick a tree based heathland course over any other tree/non tree based course and I don't really give a hoot over how they were originally designed and don't feel it is important, courses change, landscapes change
    Yes courses do change. Years ago the Old course at Sunningdale was ranked higher than the New in every ranking list but now the New is ranked higher in a lot of cases. Whilst still a heathland course, the Old has changed into more of a parkland which is a shame in my opinion because that is not how it was originally intended. I firmly believe the heathland tracks should be protected as they were intended. You can build a parkland course anywhere but there are limited places you can build heathland courses.
    I find it sad that you don't care or think it is important that our classic courses are changing.

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    Re: Woodhall Spa - Hotchkin

    Quote Originally Posted by ADA View Post
    Could not imagine Sunningdale old without the trees.

    Certainly don't agree with the 'much better courses for it' and other than purists not sure the majority of the members will agree with that. Some holes will be but some wont be.

    For me generally I would pick a tree based heathland course over any other tree/non tree based course and I don't really give a hoot over how they were originally designed and don't feel it is important, courses change, landscapes change
    I get that but the Hotchkin was getting crammed in with silver birches that had been left to grow.

    Sunningdales trees are not encroaching the fairway and there is plenty of heather before the trees, the Hotchkin was that trees has been left to grow so the heather was getting lost on the back 9.

    The Hotchkin back 9 was starting to feel like a parkland rather than a heathland.
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    Re: Woodhall Spa - Hotchkin

    Quote Originally Posted by Khamelion View Post
    Looking forward to playing this on Saturday, please weather be kind.
    Hopefully the sun is out - really looking forward to my first visit.
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    Re: Woodhall Spa - Hotchkin

    Less trees suits me!

    Considering the amount of time I spent in them last year, plus at Forest Pines the following 2 days, I felt like I could give Ray Mears a few tips
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