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    Re: How strict are you at enforcing the rules with your PP's ??

    NJD, I wouldn't disagree regarding drawn competitions encouraging better mixing of members. Do you find some people mysteriously seem to get drawn together still? Incidentally, I was not making a pro or anti comment regarding comps being drawn, it was more a factual statement of how it has worked at the 4 clubs I have been a member of.

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    Re: How strict are you at enforcing the rules with your PP's ??

    Depends if its in a comp, a bounce game for money or just a knock with mates. The first 2 I'd expect to be played by the rules. The provisional I'd ask "is it a provisional." Ball marking I'd pull them for, and have done with players in the past. Air shots would be clarified with "so that's a 4 then." When they say 3, a discussion would be had.
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    Re: How strict are you at enforcing the rules with your PP's ??

    In a comp - play by the rules
    Playing with mates competitively (i.e for money) - Play by the rules
    Playing just for a knock with a couple of mates - Do what you want, we're practicing.
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    Re: How strict are you at enforcing the rules with your PP's ??

    Quote Originally Posted by nickjdavis View Post

    I'll always clarify with a player if they intend the next ball played from the tree to be a provisional ball before they hit it. .
    Do you advise them to try the tree wood next time?
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    Re: How strict are you at enforcing the rules with your PP's ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tyrion View Post
    NJD, I wouldn't disagree regarding drawn competitions encouraging better mixing of members. Do you find some people mysteriously seem to get drawn together still? Incidentally, I was not making a pro or anti comment regarding comps being drawn, it was more a factual statement of how it has worked at the 4 clubs I have been a member of.
    Absolutely not. My fellow committee members and I are aware of the "friends" and the pairings that have in the past resulted in "unusually high scores for one or other player", we know which players have fallen under suspicion in the past and we do our best to keep them apart....however, with us being a relatively small club with a regular core of golfers who enter our comps it is perhaps inevitable that pairings will get repeated....but as we play in 3-balls the committee member doing the draw will always add a "trustee" to the two ball....someone who can keep an eye on them and is perfectly willing to actively correct any "miscounting" shall we say.

    No I realise you were not making a comment either way on the pros/cons of drawn comps....I was just surprised that,
    not knowing how many clubs you had been a member of until your last post,
    none of the clubs you've ever been a member of had drawn comps.

    Based on what I read here and elsewhere, my guess would be that having comps drawn is less common, what with the "tee time booking software" that is often employed by many clubs...I just didn't expect it to be a "rarity"!!
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    Re: How strict are you at enforcing the rules with your PP's ??

    Quote Originally Posted by jim8flog View Post
    Do you advise them to try the tree wood next time?
    I don't give club selection advise.
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    Re: How strict are you at enforcing the rules with your PP's ??

    In a competition I'll adhere to the rules and I'm not adverse to pulling the rule book out and showing my PP the ruling and the penalty for not adhering. My take is very simple. If you enter a competition, there is an implied understanding that you know the rules sufficiently and be able to proceed accordingly.

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    Re: How strict are you at enforcing the rules with your PP's ??

    I play with a bunch of people who are not too educated about the rules. I tend to know them as I see them as interesting and not a chore. I work hard on a weekly basis to educate those I play with by using one or two examples every week as a discussion point. That being said and to some extent I am ashamed of this but I turn a blind eye to some rules broken if done so by error or mistake (never do so if done by someone who knows better) at times. Only if they are way out of the game as no benefit is gained in real terms. I make a point of discussing the infraction soon after in terms of ongoing education. If the person is anywhere near to contending I impose the penalty and explain why.

    It's important to me to try and help and I know ignoring infractions at any point is a no no to some. I use every opportunity to educate and I hope long term my PP will all advance in rules knowledge.

    Also I will do all I can to help someone avoid a penalty before they do so. Sitting back and watching someone do something wrong when you know they are about to do so in my opinion is about as low as you can go. I never want to play golf with someone who does this.

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    Re: How strict are you at enforcing the rules with your PP's ??

    Quote Originally Posted by xreyuk View Post
    In a comp - play by the rules
    Playing with mates competitively (i.e for money) - Play by the rules
    Playing just for a knock with a couple of mates - Do what you want, we're practicing.
    This sums it up for me and unless we are practising, I always call the rule breach. I am prepared to face hostility from people looking to gain an unfair advantage. In any case, If I go along with the rule breach, I would have to DQ myself.

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    Re: How strict are you at enforcing the rules with your PP's ??

    For me the air shot is easy. As I'm marking his card I'd just include the air shot when I tell him what I'm putting down on his card. If he queried - I'd just say 'there was the air shot'.

    And as far as 'I'll reload...etc' It is important to know what a players intentions are when he plays a second ball from the tee (or anywhere else in fact) because his score depends upon what his intentions are before he hits it. And that is why specific words must be spoken - one way or the other.
    Last edited by SwingsitlikeHogan; 14-May-2018 at 12:31.
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    ...well from 10.0 to 9.4 this year would be nice.

    And last medal of the year (Oct) saw me play to handicap but CSS was +1 so that was me down 0.2 from 8.3 to 8.1

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