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    Ball unplayable - play provisional instead?

    Player hits first ball off tee, into trees
    Plays provisional
    Finds first ball having not declared lost - its unplayable
    Can he play the provisional instead, i.e. then hitting fourth shot or should have dropped first ball to make playable?

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    Re: Ball unplayable - play provisional instead?

    AS soon as the first ball is found, then the provisional becomes redundant.

    He can declare it unplayable and follow on under those conditions, one of which is to return to place the ball was last played

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    Re: Ball unplayable - play provisional instead?

    No. Playing the provisional for an unplayable ball is not permitted.

    One reason is that it would be contra to one of the basic principles. It would allow the player to make choice between two balls.

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    Re: Ball unplayable - play provisional instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_D View Post
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    Can he play the provisional instead,
    No.

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    Re: Ball unplayable - play provisional instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duckster View Post
    AS soon as the first ball is found, then the provisional becomes redundant.

    He can declare it unplayable and follow on under those conditions, one of which is to return to place the ball was last played
    Which is exactly what the provisional is! Saved time, 3 off the Tee.

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    Re: Ball unplayable - play provisional instead?

    You can't declare a ball lost, it either is lost because it's not been found within 5 minutes or it's gone out of bounds or in a hazard is my understanding
    removed list of clubs as they change too frequently !

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    Re: Ball unplayable - play provisional instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by drdel View Post
    Which is exactly what the provisional is! Saved time, 3 off the Tee.
    You seem to be suggesting that his provisional becomes an option when he doesn't like the lie of his original ball.

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    Re: Ball unplayable - play provisional instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by rosecott View Post
    You seem to be suggesting that his provisional becomes an option when he doesn't like the lie of his original ball.
    No.

    An option when a player declares the ball unplayable is to return and replay the shot. Since the 'provisional' is exactly that - just played in 'advance' saving the time that would otherwise be taken for the player to return to the original spot.

    I'm sure our 'gurus' will be along to tell us we're all wrong!

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    Re: Ball unplayable - play provisional instead?

    The first reply was correct. As soon as the original ball is found then the provisional cannot be played. One of the player's options is to return to the tee but the provisional can't be a proxy for that.

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    Re: Ball unplayable - play provisional instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by pogle View Post
    The first reply was correct. As soon as the original ball is found then the provisional cannot be played. One of the player's options is to return to the tee but the provisional can't be a proxy for that.
    Perhaps you'd explain the impact on the scorecard of the two choices?

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