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    Re: Handicap conversion calculation USGA to CONGU

    Quote Originally Posted by upsidedown View Post
    I'd say they are the other way round, my NZ handicap ( simliar system ) was 3 where as here I'm a 5 . We had friends who came over in the Summer from UK and they also were a couple of shots better.
    That's interesting. We've been informally discussing this at my club, and as we understand it, US handicaps are a rolling average of the 10 best cards out of the last 20 - is that right?

    If that is the case, then the general feeling is that since playing to handicap only happens about 20% of the time (at least for mid and high handicappers), then the US-style average is likely to result in a higher handicap. Maybe low handicappers are consistent enough that it wouldn't affect them the same way?

    (Presumably if and when a world handicapping system comes into force, it's likely that the Britain will adopt something similar).

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    Re: Handicap conversion calculation USGA to CONGU

    Quote Originally Posted by cliveb View Post
    That's interesting. We've been informally discussing this at my club, and as we understand it, US handicaps are a rolling average of the 10 best cards out of the last 20 - is that right?

    If that is the case, then the general feeling is that since playing to handicap only happens about 20% of the time (at least for mid and high handicappers), then the US-style average is likely to result in a higher handicap. Maybe low handicappers are consistent enough that it wouldn't affect them the same way?

    (Presumably if and when a world handicapping system comes into force, it's likely that the Britain will adopt something similar).
    Could you explain the bolded part further, including the source of the statement? Seems to me that if mid to high handicappers only play to their handicap 20% of the time then the handicaps are likely too low.
    My experience is that a 5-6 N. American handicap plays more like an 8-9 in the UK, and has to give the UK player strokes without any adjustment.
    Last edited by rulie; 12-Jan-2018 at 19:35.

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    Re: Handicap conversion calculation USGA to CONGU

    Quote Originally Posted by rulie View Post
    Could you explain the bolded part further, including the source of the statement? Seems to me that if mid to high handicappers only play to their handicap 20% of the time then the handicaps are likely too low.
    My experience is that a 5-6 N. American handicap plays more like an 8-9 in the UK, and has to give the UK player strokes without any adjustment.
    Whilst I don't like such generalisations the basis for such statements is often based around simple arithmetic .

    A cat 4 golfer goes up 0.1 above buffer and comes down 0.4 for only 1 shot below,min simple terms their handicap will decrease if they play even 1 shot better than their handicap more than 25% relative to their failures to meet buffer. Add in a probability that any better score will be more than 1 and its easy to conclude that beating their handicap more than 1 in 5 (20%) and they will be coming down in handicap.
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    Re: Handicap conversion calculation USGA to CONGU

    Quote Originally Posted by rulie View Post
    Could you explain the bolded part further, including the source of the statement? Seems to me that if mid to high handicappers only play to their handicap 20% of the time then the handicaps are likely too low.
    My experience is that a 5-6 N. American handicap plays more like an 8-9 in the UK, and has to give the UK player strokes without any adjustment.
    Perhaps the expectation that you should buffer or better in 33% of your scores is easier to visualise?

    Given that the demographic of clubs tends to be skewed towards older men and women whose game is declining faster than the system of 0.1 increases allows for, you could expect as significant amount under-handicapping around. A player who returns the minimum of 3 scores per year can take 3 years for his playing handicap to increase by 1 stroke. Meanwhile, over 3 years, what is happening to his golfing performance?
    Last edited by Colin L; 12-Jan-2018 at 20:43.

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    Re: Handicap conversion calculation USGA to CONGU

    Quote Originally Posted by cliveb View Post
    That's interesting. We've been informally discussing this at my club, and as we understand it, US handicaps are a rolling average of the 10 best cards out of the last 20 - is that right?
    Yes , that's correct and updated every 2 weeks for your Handicap index
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    Re: Handicap conversion calculation USGA to CONGU

    Quote Originally Posted by scubascuba3 View Post
    I've got a USGA handicap and I'm exploring whether i can play in a UK CONGU open competition. Apparently there is a conversion calculation. Anyone know what it is? It doesn't come up in a Google search
    Just over a year ago you posted that you had a USGA and a CONGU handicap. What has happened to your CONGU handicap?

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    Re: Handicap conversion calculation USGA to CONGU

    Quote Originally Posted by rosecott View Post
    Just over a year ago you posted that you had a USGA and a CONGU handicap. What has happened to your CONGU handicap?
    Yes i had two handicaps in Thailand one CONGU and One USGA. I left the CONGU group and my handicap isn't getting updated so no point using that.

    On the subject of how they both compare, mine were the same within 1 or 2, USGA higher. More interestingly my USGA Thailand handicap is higher than my UK handicap because i play far more courses than just the one i played in the UK and so its more difficult.

    Having used both systems for a few years now i prefer USGA so will be quite happy when the new World handicapping system comes out.

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    Re: Handicap conversion calculation USGA to CONGU

    Quote Originally Posted by scubascuba3 View Post
    Yes i had two handicaps in Thailand one CONGU and One USGA. I left the CONGU group and my handicap isn't getting updated so no point using that.

    On the subject of how they both compare, mine were the same within 1 or 2, USGA higher. More interestingly my USGA Thailand handicap is higher than my UK handicap because i play far more courses than just the one i played in the UK and so its more difficult.

    Having used both systems for a few years now i prefer USGA so will be quite happy when the new World handicapping system comes out.
    Do you play much tournament/competition golf?

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    Re: Handicap conversion calculation USGA to CONGU

    Quote Originally Posted by rulefan View Post
    Do you play much tournament/competition golf?
    Everytime i play its a competition, 20-40 people usually

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