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    Re: Yet another NHS thread

    The perfect storm.

    A population that has been deliberately expanded beyond the resources to support it.
    Ignoring that we will have an aging population living longer.
    Halving the number of hospital beds over the last 30 years.
    Allowing health tourism to go unchecked.
    Not addressing overcharging and waste in the NHS.
    Failing to invest in training suitable numbers of Medical staff and flooding money into hiring agency people.
    Higher costs in new medical technology.

    What could go wrong?
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    Re: Yet another NHS thread

    Quote Originally Posted by SocketRocket View Post
    The perfect storm.

    A population that has been deliberately expanded beyond the resources to support it.
    Ignoring that we will have an aging population living longer.
    Halving the number of hospital beds over the last 30 years.
    Allowing health tourism to go unchecked.
    Not addressing overcharging and waste in the NHS.
    Failing to invest in training suitable numbers of Medical staff and flooding money into hiring agency people.
    Higher costs in new medical technology.

    What could go wrong?


    A population with blind faith that the NHS is the best system in the world, so impossible for any political party to manage it effectively

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    It is quite simply a numbers game.

    For example where I live I moved in 30+ years ago. When you rang for an appointment the surgery often apologised because they did not have an appointment until about 10.30.

    In that 30 years the size of the small town/large village I live in the number of houses has nearly doubled and that means that the number of patients has quadrupled. The doctors surgery meanwhile has only been able to double the number of doctors and many of those only stay for a short period of time.

    We are just one large village in the area surrounding the local town and what has happened to our village holds true for most of the local villages and on a similar note the town itself has doubled the amount of housing.

    The main hospital in the local town was built almost in the middle of the town, so cannot expand much beyond what it has done simply because there is no room left on the site.

    The only major change we have had in our area was that the local 'cottage hospital' was upgraded and rebuilt to provide are far larger range of services but does not have A&E facilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tyrion View Post
    The last sentence would seem to contradict the first.
    Not so, not enough money coming in and what they do have being wasted is a common problem in business and particularly in the NHS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasit View Post
    Awesome if you in the right post code
    Very true.
    Funny how some NHS areas seem to manage much better than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasit View Post
    A population with blind faith that the NHS is the best system in the world, so impossible for any political party to manage it effectively
    What counties is better? It sure as hell isnt America’s

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    The NHS is wasting money on having to deal with long term illnesses. Alzheimer patients wandering around ward and such like. These people need to be in specialist homes and establishments and treated like Kings and Queens by the way. Treatments for things that are not affecting health should be dropped. Sorry and all that, but decisions MUST BE MADE. The NHS was set up to help the HEALTH of the nation and this is only what it must do.
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    Re: Yet another NHS thread

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisd View Post
    Not so, not enough money coming in and what they do have being wasted is a common problem in business and particularly in the NHS
    Not a dig by the way. As a tax payer I, I'm sure you are the same, would like some of the holes in the bucket plugged rather than just pouring more and more money into it for the sake of it. If the NHS wants more then it has to solve some of its waste at the same time.


    Quote Originally Posted by Crazyface View Post
    Treatments for things that are not affecting health should be dropped. Sorry and all that, but decisions MUST BE MADE. The NHS was set up to help the HEALTH of the nation and this is only what it must do.
    I definitely agree with this. With limited resources this aspect needs to be remembered and other services currently free on the NHS need to go on a pay to use basis.
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    Out of interest does anyone know or care to hazard a guess if hypothetically the NHS ceased to be and we all had to go along the private healthcare route, is the proportion of our NI that currently goes to funding NHS anywhere near enough to cover a basic equivalent private healthcare policy? Guessing nowhere near?

    Eg If you earn £40k gross on a normal hours job you pay NI of only £3,820 https://goodcalculators.com/tax-calculator/

    I'm guessing of the £3,820 maybe a third goes to NHS currently with rest to unemployment and pensions and other areas so only say £1,270 on health, roughly £100/month for someone earning £40k/yr. NHS is very cheap to us all, maybe we should all be paying more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxfli65 View Post
    Out of interest does anyone know or care to hazard a guess if hypothetically the NHS ceased to be and we all had to go along the private healthcare route, is the proportion of our NI that currently goes to funding NHS anywhere near enough to cover a basic equivalent private healthcare policy? Guessing nowhere near?

    Eg If you earn £40k gross on a normal hours job you pay NI of only £3,820 https://goodcalculators.com/tax-calculator/

    I'm guessing of the £3,820 maybe a third goes to NHS currently with rest to unemployment and pensions and other areas so only say £1,270 on health, roughly £100/month for someone earning £40k/yr. NHS is very cheap to us all, maybe we should all be paying more?
    Also the private health model is discusting

    How many people per year go bankrupt in America for medical bills?

    Was explained to me by a few people how people get the bill part paid and the company say pay the rest (10,000) or we will triple your premium next year

    In my experience aswell my Grandad was private insured through work and he had bowel cancer.. he reached his limit and was due another round of chemotherapy so he sold his house to the bank.. £35k he got in cash (never needed he recovered in end) but now the bank own most his house (worth 1 million) and he gets a total of 130k when it’s sold the rest goes to the bank. All for 35k

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