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    Ryder Cup Winner FairwayDodger's Avatar
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    Pride vs Custom Fitting

    Nothing like an hour hitting balls on trackman to bring a bit of reality into the perception of your golf!

    I went to the Titleist fitting centre at Craigielaw today for an irons custom fitting. It was an enjoyable and interesting session but must admit to mixed feelings about the results!

    After a brief chat about my game and what I hoped to gain from new irons we started by seeing how my current irons perform. I was relieved that I managed to bring a decent swing with me and was quickly hitting it relatively well but disappointed to see that my 7i carry isnít quite what I thought. Total yardage is more like the distance I had in mind, a common reality check for many, I expect.

    The next eye-opener was that I carried my 4i less than 20 yards further than the 7i, again the run out getting to the distance I expected but clearly highlighting a gapping problem through the longer irons. We discussed that rather than chasing extra distance I would benefit from better gapping at the top of the bag combined with higher trajectory, steeper descent and, therefore, less run out before moving on to hitting some of the Titleist 718 irons.

    I hit AP1, AP2 and AP3 7 irons all with graphite shafts comparable to those in my own clubs. In common with most, I imagine, I really like the look of the AP2s and donít fancy the AP1s much but it was immediately apparent that the AP2 wasnít going to give me much over my current clubs; its stats were very similar.

    Both AP1 and AP3 gave me greater carry distance and less run out. Short of phenomenal performance, I had already ruled the AP1s out simply for their chunkier look. The AP3s really do look good at address and definitely answer the ďI like the look of the AP2 but want AP1 distanceĒ problem.

    Although Iíve had graphite for the last few years, Iím interested in switching back to steel shafts so we tried the AP3 with a AMT Red R300 shaft and it only took one swing to show that was a good move. I got more swing speed and started carrying it about ten yards past my current 7i but with a higher apex and less run out. Very encouraging at this stage!

    The disappointment set in a bit when I tried the AP3 5i. We wanted 20 yards carry past the 7i but it came short Ė only about 15 yards Ė and the lower trajectory meant too much run out. The next step was to try the AP1 5 iron with the same shaft. I donít mind the chunkier look in the longer iron as much so it was worth a go and, indeed, I did carry it 20 yards past the AP3 7i.

    While an improvement on the AP3, this still has the problem of a shallower descent and longer run out. I was happy, but the fitter was not. He wanted me to hit that yardage but with a higher ball flight and recommended using a hybrid instead of 5i and made one up for me to try. I promptly hit it 10 yards further so he knocked up another with more loft and I did hit some lovely high flighted shots carrying right on the desired number.

    Ultimately, the recommendation I came away with is AP3 PW to 6i, 23* Hybrid and 24* Hybrid (with a slightly shorter shaft) to give good 10 yard gaps right up to where my 5 wood comes in.

    My problem is that I canít quite wrap my head around not having a 5i so I do have the option of going with the AP1 5i instead of the hybrid. That suits my vanity a bit better but probably isnít making the most of the possibilities. Certainly the fitter was unequivocal in his view the hybrid was the way to go.

    Great fun and very interesting hitting shots on trackman with different clubs, different shafts. I could do that all day so my hour passed in the blink of an eye! Iím left with plenty of food for thought. There are definite improvements to be made, especially at the top end. I wasnít 100% sure about changing my irons but now Iím fairly certain that I will. But can I really bring myself to finish the irons at a 6? Head thinks I should swallow my pride but heart says I can make that 5i work!
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    Re: Pride vs Custom Fitting

    I expect someone will be along to remind that the club now called a 6 iron is really a 5 iron - would that help

    The fitter is probably correct though....

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    Re: Pride vs Custom Fitting

    I've dropped my 5 iron from the bag.
    I'm using a 26į hybrid - does a better job more often.
    Far harder to mess up with it.
    Go with what works.
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    Re: Pride vs Custom Fitting

    I can relate to this. I carry 4 iron to pitching wedge but don't seem to hit my 4 iron much further than the 5 because I can't get the clubhead speed to get the 4 iron airborne properly. At some stage I'm going to need to ditch the 4 iron for a hybrid. The problem is that I find that a hybrid goes a lot further with the wind & not far enough against because I tend to hit hybrids quite high. However, with a maximum of 14 clubs you have to compromise.

    Hope you find a workable solution.
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    Re: Pride vs Custom Fitting

    Quote Originally Posted by IainP View Post
    I expect someone will be along to remind that the club now called a 6 iron is really a 5 iron - would that help

    The fitter is probably correct though....
    With my new AP1's tge fitter said dont go longer than the 5 iron as it goes as far as my old 4.

    Great story Karen
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    Re: Pride vs Custom Fitting

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisd View Post
    With my new AP1's tge fitter said dont go longer than the 5 iron as it goes as far as my old 4.

    Great story Karen
    Yeah, I was carrying the AP1 5i further than my R11 4i.
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    Re: Pride vs Custom Fitting

    Quote Originally Posted by Maninblack4612 View Post
    I can relate to this. I carry 4 iron to pitching wedge but don't seem to hit my 4 iron much further than the 5 because I can't get the clubhead speed to get the 4 iron airborne properly. At some stage I'm going to need to ditch the 4 iron for a hybrid. The problem is that I find that a hybrid goes a lot further with the wind & not far enough against because I tend to hit hybrids quite high. However, with a maximum of 14 clubs you have to compromise.

    Hope you find a workable solution.
    That's pretty much my concern with the hybrids and why my own 4i made a comeback this year. I knew, though, that it was unlikely I'd get a 4i in the new set but am having all sorts of anguish about the prospect of dropping the 5i as well. Plus will I really commit properly to hitting a hybrid from closer in? Don't know. Suspect I might end up with both and swapping them in and out depending on course and conditions.
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    Re: Pride vs Custom Fitting

    Garryinderry did a good post about this situation, the result being forget your vanity and get the hybrid. Why fight it? Pro's have them, use the tech.

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    Re: Pride vs Custom Fitting

    Quote Originally Posted by FairwayDodger View Post
    Yeah, I was carrying the AP1 5i further than my R11 4i.
    So,thoughts T-mb 4 iron yesterday on the basis it should go like a 3 iron 😁
    removed list of clubs as they change too frequently !

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    Re: Pride vs Custom Fitting

    Great write up, and i fully get the issues with going to hybrids. I am presently playing a 5 hybrid through the winter, and I hate it. Playing Driver, 5w, 5h, and 6i down due to the conditions. Once the sun shines, i am getting my 3i back out. I shouldnt, as the numbers dont work, but on the odd occasion i catch it, i love it.

    Sometimes its not about the numbers.

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