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    Shaft stiffness

    I recently tried a new shaft in my Ping driver, went from Alta stiff to Tour X stiff. Instantly got a massive improvement in consistency, dispersion and a little distance.

    My question is why this would be as I only swing 95-99? I thought x flex would only work well for 110+? Could there be something up with my swing causing this?

    As it is, I've just got the 3 wood matched up too so will be interesting to see if I get the same result.

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    Re: Shaft stiffness

    Quote Originally Posted by Deijavoo View Post
    I recently tried a new shaft in my Ping driver, went from Alta stiff to Tour X stiff. Instantly got a massive improvement in consistency, dispersion and a little distance.

    My question is why this would be as I only swing 95-99? I thought x flex would only work well for 110+? Could there be something up with my swing causing this?

    As it is, I've just got the 3 wood matched up too so will be interesting to see if I get the same result.
    Titleist have a fitting mantra; "It's not how fast you swing, it's how you swing fast." Whilst swing speed will have some bearing, the manner of your transition from backswing to downing, the way you load the shaft and your release will all have a bearing on the flex that suits you best.

    Another thing to bear in mind is that there is no standard for flex in golf; as I know from a fitting, one manufacturer's stiff is another's regular, so don't get too hung up on the flex designation; if it ain't broke..........

    Let us know how you get on with the 3 wood.
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    Re: Shaft stiffness

    What BiM said is absolutely correct. There is also the act that there are no standards 'stiffnesses' for different flexes, each manufacturer has there own tolerances. So X in one shaft might be equivalent to S in another etc.

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    Re: Shaft stiffness

    the pings alta is a soft shaft anyhow. so your stiff was playing more like a reg. ping stock shafts have always been a bit softer than stated

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    Re: Shaft stiffness

    Ah great stuff, thanks guys.

    It did seem odd how it went so much better, never liked the Alta shaft at all. The club was for sale until I tried this new shaft.

    I did have to really think about my tempo with the Alta, but when I wasn't or to put it better, forgot, I got really punished with some bad hooks. My forgetfulness seems to go relatively unpunished now.

    Really hoping that the 3w has the same benefits.


    Thanks again.

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    Re: Shaft stiffness

    all true that there is no industry standard to shaft builds & how folks swing motion works with a particular shaft profile is key too

    just wondering how you got your results in the comparison from the 'old' to 'new' shaft ?
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    Re: Shaft stiffness

    I got the driver originally with the Alta shaft and then my neighbour gave me his TM R1. I noticed a difference there and noticed that the shaft was marginally shorter so asked a local shop if I could A/B test a shorter shaft against the Alta one in my Ping. All they had was the Tour in X-flex so had a go and instantly got much better results and even my worse shots tend to go straighter with a lower flight. My worse shots with the Alta shafts would normally balloon left and right to end up on the next hole, now they usually end up in the rough.

    I know my swing is not great, but the instant improvement has been very welcome.

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    Re: Shaft stiffness

    Quote Originally Posted by Deijavoo View Post
    I got the driver originally with the Alta shaft and then my neighbour gave me his TM R1. I noticed a difference there and noticed that the shaft was marginally shorter so asked a local shop if I could A/B test a shorter shaft against the Alta one in my Ping. All they had was the Tour in X-flex so had a go and instantly got much better results and even my worse shots tend to go straighter with a lower flight. My worse shots with the Alta shafts would normally balloon left and right to end up on the next hole, now they usually end up in the rough.

    I know my swing is not great, but the instant improvement has been very welcome.
    just wondering was if you had done this on a launch monitor so got the data that quantified the shot results
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    Re: Shaft stiffness

    I would really like to do that and compare lots of shafts but this change was really obvious. The fella in the bay next to me thought it must have been a completely different driver. I track how I'm playing too and I've been hitting a lot more fairways of late.

    I did wonder if I would be better with Tour stiff but it was all that was in and when it worked I was happy enough.

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    Re: Shaft stiffness

    Quote Originally Posted by Deijavoo View Post
    I would really like to do that and compare lots of shafts but this change was really obvious. The fella in the bay next to me thought it must have been a completely different driver. I track how I'm playing too and I've been hitting a lot more fairways of late.

    I did wonder if I would be better with Tour stiff but it was all that was in and when it worked I was happy enough.
    get where you're coming from
    could be that the new shaft is a good fit for the swing profile - would try to compare shaft against some others on a launch monitor to get a 'true' picture

    couple of things overall to maybes consider over shaft changes

    for sure as a general theme of things have found far more folks trying to use shafts that are on the too stiff (+ heavy) side for their swing motion technique & ball speed produced

    goin to an 'x' flex of any manufacturer would expect most folks to see both a tighter starting direction & dispersion
    but likely not peak height improvement or carry distance so for sure can understand

    hard by sight/feel to judge real true 'peak height' values - & with good launch conditions 'peak height' is a key factor in carry distance the number that is key to distance

    usually have found folks gauging of an extra distance to be a little ways off when they have then come to test on a LM & sometimes any perceived distance gain either just really wasn't there or if some gain made that was just down to harder ground conditions giving more run out as opposed to any gain in flight & carry - when ground conditions change with the less carry & then without harder ground run out overall distance is down some
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