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    Colchester, not churlish, all fair and valid points. I think we have to give credit to Southgate in that he looked at the players he has and created the system that suited them and this type of football. It worked to a large extent as he managed to drill the set plays so well. Now he has two years of friendlies and Euro qualifiers to try to expand the range, perhaps bring in different players to see if we can compete at this level more often.

    I don't see anyone having a pop this morning. We are appreciating what has happened and looking at how to move forward, constructively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColchesterFC View Post
    Does the 5-3-2 system work? Yes, it got us to a World Cup semi final but we didn't seem to create much from open play. Was that down to the formation or the players we had available. Think Young has probably played his last game for England, due to his age when the next Euros starts rather than his performances, so would bring in Rose for him. Not convinced by Walker at centre back and although he could improve into that role he's not going to get the chance to play there at Man City to get better at it. Which poses another problem as if he doesn't play centre back does he replace Trippier, who has been fantastic, at right back?

    Would we be better going to a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1? Sterling going out wide where he plays best for Man City? Alli playing behind Kane as he does for Spurs? If Llalana is fully fit a playing regularly how do you get him in to the team, if at all?

    All of this might seem a bit churlish given how far we got but we need to improve so it's a question of how we get better.
    I think Gareth is a firm believer in using a back 3 so that will remain. I reckon if he was fit, Oxlade would have been starting in Alli's spot in this World Cup. I agree with you on Young, and Sessegnon should be the natural replacement if he does well in the Premier League. I would like to see Lascelles come into the squad rather than Cahill or Jones as he looks a real class act. I think the number 1 shirt is still potentially up for grabs if Nick Pope has another season like last season. The likes of Loftus-Cheek and Rashford need moves though, as they're just not going to get enough games at Chelsea or Man Utd respectively. They need moves and regular football to become the top players they can be.
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    Too early to analyse performances, 4-6 months ago some of those players wouldnt of even been in the squad, let alone the first 11.

    Hopefully we dont start putting too much pressure on those that went to Russia, for some itll be their last World Cup.

    Southgate said there were no issues with Kane.

    Southgate did far better with the players he had than he expected and hopefully hell build on this great summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orikoru View Post
    I think Gareth is a firm believer in using a back 3 so that will remain. I reckon if he was fit, Oxlade would have been starting in Alli's spot in this World Cup. I agree with you on Young, and Sessegnon should be the natural replacement if he does well in the Premier League. I would like to see Lascelles come into the squad rather than Cahill or Jones as he looks a real class act. I think the number 1 shirt is still potentially up for grabs if Nick Pope has another season like last season. The likes of Loftus-Cheek and Rashford need moves though, as they're just not going to get enough games at Chelsea or Man Utd respectively. They need moves and regular football to become the top players they can be.
    Rashford made 52 appearances last season, 35 out of 38 in the PL, tell us again hes not getting enough games.
    Hes only 20, maybe he should continue to play for one of the biggest in the world with some of the best players in the biggest comps.

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    Just didnt happen forus last night, after the first 2o minutes....Young squad, will learn from this and plenty of scope for growth...

    Good tournament.....no complaints, beaten by a team who were better on the night.

    I suspect an English foot that high for the goal would have been ruled out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColchesterFC View Post
    Does the 5-3-2 system work? Yes, it got us to a World Cup semi final but we didn't seem to create much from open play. Was that down to the formation or the players we had available. Think Young has probably played his last game for England, due to his age when the next Euros starts rather than his performances, so would bring in Rose for him. Not convinced by Walker at centre back and although he could improve into that role he's not going to get the chance to play there at Man City to get better at it. Which poses another problem as if he doesn't play centre back does he replace Trippier, who has been fantastic, at right back?

    Would we be better going to a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1? Sterling going out wide where he plays best for Man City? Alli playing behind Kane as he does for Spurs? If Llalana is fully fit a playing regularly how do you get him in to the team, if at all?

    All of this might seem a bit churlish given how far we got but we need to improve so it's a question of how we get better.
    I think you have it spot in regards the system

    It is very limited and was exposed as soon as the team faced someone with real quality - the signs were there against Colombia

    A 4-3-3 would be a good start with

    Pickford/Pope

    Trippier/Alexander Arnold
    Maguire/Gomez
    Stones /Lacelles
    Rose/Sessegnon

    Henderson/Dier
    Alli/Ox
    Lallana/Loftus Cheek

    Sterling
    Kane
    Lingard/Rashford

    You still need to find some other players and hopefully people like Brewster and Foden can come through plus Jadon ( at Dortmund) even players like Lookman - quick skilful wide player

    England have a strong base to work with but think 3 at the back will harm them - the two losing semi finalists played 3 at the back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tyrion View Post
    I would have Henderson or Stones as captain, Kane is not a natural in that role. Let him score goals, nothing more.

    The job going forward is to add creativity and goals from open play into the team. Alli, Lindgard and Sterling are not producing those as a three so the trio needs breaking up. Keep two out of the three, rotate them perhaps, but a different type of player is needed in midfield to take us forward. RLC, The Ox, both have a chance to grab that role, perhaps others that haven't come to mind yet this morning.

    Only change at the back for me would be Rose for Young, the rest are worthy of their places.

    I'd like to see Southgate be more pro-active with his substitutes but I accept that is easy to say from the comfort of a chair. Maybe he will be going forward, he must have felt huge pressure during this tournament so caution is understandable.

    It's nice to wake up the morning after and still feel okay about going out. Plenty to be proud about, the team have had us smile again. That is an achievement in itself.
    good summary .

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    I think its very easy to overlook those young players who werent available through injury that would make our squad so much more stronger and competitive, Gomez and Oxlade C immediately come to mind for me.
    I think its very probable we could have at least 2 good players for each position and all play the same game and format.

    The biggest issue for me over the whole tournament was whilst we scored goals, very few were from open play and that ultimately cost us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pauldj42 View Post
    Rashford made 52 appearances last season, 35 out of 38 in the PL, tell us again hes not getting enough games.
    Hes only 20, maybe he should continue to play for one of the biggest in the world with some of the best players in the biggest comps.
    More than half of his appearances were as a sub, and another huge percentage were playing as a left winger rather than a second striker role where he clearly thrives. I don't think being stuck on the bench or out of position in a Mourinho team is going to produce the best player. He needs to be starting games, in his favoured position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by therod View Post
    Just laugh at the sad, sad little men, in their funny skirts, with their funny way of speaking
    which is an interesting comment on Scots blokes...

    Anyway - this Scot is disappointed to see England out. Was enjoying my friends and family getting very excited - and I was enjoying being able to be engaged.
    to infinity and beyond...

    ...well from 10.0 to 9.4 this year would be nice.

    And last medal of the year (Oct) saw me play to handicap but CSS was +1 so that was me down 0.2 from 8.3 to 8.1

    Job done

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