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    Re: The Ashes 2017/18

    Dont quite follow why they have to play all 5 tests in a best of 5 situation. Let the guys come home for Christmas with their families. All about ticket sales and money generation I suppose. However if I was an Ozzie with tickets to the 4th or 5th test I'd be looking to get a refund and do something else with my time. Totally uncompetitive now no matter what anyone trys to sell, all real pressures are off the players now, pressure is what makes great ashes matches. 3-0, 4-0, 5-0, 4-1, 3-2, doesn't matter, Ashes are over.

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    Re: The Ashes 2017/18

    Quote Originally Posted by maxfli65 View Post
    Dont quite follow why they have to play all 5 tests in a best of 5 situation. Let the guys come home for Christmas with their families. All about ticket sales and money generation I suppose. However if I was an Ozzie with tickets to the 4th or 5th test I'd be looking to get a refund and do something else with my time. Totally uncompetitive now no matter what anyone trys to sell, all real pressures are off the players now, pressure is what makes great ashes matches. 3-0, 4-0, 5-0, 4-1, 3-2, doesn't matter, Ashes are over.
    I went in 2006, got on the plane knowing it was already over - I'm still glad there was cricket, and we had a cracking time.

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    Re: The Ashes 2017/18

    Root says, "I am proud of the way we battled, but we were outskilled. We have been in every game but not managed to drive it forwards. We haven't been completely outplayed we just haven't performed at that level for long periods of time."

    Results say...

    1st Test - lost by 10 wickets
    2nd Test - lost by 120 runs
    3rd Test - lost by an innings and 41 runs.

    In my book that is completely outplayed.
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    Re: The Ashes 2017/18

    Quote Originally Posted by Piece View Post
    Root says, "I am proud of the way we battled, but we were outskilled. We have been in every game but not managed to drive it forwards. We haven't been completely outplayed we just haven't performed at that level for long periods of time."

    Results say...

    1st Test - lost by 10 wickets
    2nd Test - lost by 120 runs
    3rd Test - lost by an innings and 41 runs.

    In my book that is completely outplayed.
    Usual banal media guff from the England camp. One partnership saved England from complete annihilation in that match.

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    Re: The Ashes 2017/18

    Quote Originally Posted by Piece View Post
    Root says, "I am proud of the way we battled, but we were outskilled. We have been in every game but not managed to drive it forwards. We haven't been completely outplayed we just haven't performed at that level for long periods of time."

    Results say...

    1st Test - lost by 10 wickets
    2nd Test - lost by 120 runs
    3rd Test - lost by an innings and 41 runs.

    In my book that is completely outplayed.
    Wrap it up anyway like Joe, but your boys have taken a right good pasting and simply haven't been good enough and outplayed in all areas. Can't see beyond 5-0 now

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    Re: The Ashes 2017/18

    So should Cook jack it all in? Should Broad be dropped? Should Moeen be left out and given time to heal his finger so he can actually turn a ball?

    Yes to all 3 for me

    Jennings for Cook
    Garton for Broad
    Crane for Ali


    Could even look to play Bairstow as an opening batsman and give Foakes a go behind the sticks and bat 6? Might be radical but something needs to change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainron View Post
    So should Cook jack it all in? Should Broad be dropped? Should Moeen be left out and given time to heal his finger so he can actually turn a ball?

    Yes to all 3 for me

    Jennings for Cook
    Garton for Broad
    Crane for Ali


    Could even look to play Bairstow as an opening batsman and give Foakes a go behind the sticks and bat 6? Might be radical but something needs to change?
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    Re: The Ashes 2017/18

    Quote Originally Posted by Captainron View Post
    So should Cook jack it all in? Should Broad be dropped? Should Moeen be left out and given time to heal his finger so he can actually turn a ball?

    Yes to all 3 for me

    Jennings for Cook
    Garton for Broad
    Crane for Ali


    Could even look to play Bairstow as an opening batsman and give Foakes a go behind the sticks and bat 6? Might be radical but something needs to change?
    Would very much like to see Foakes given a go in the last two tests. Very good keeper by all accounts with a not too shabby batting average either.

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    Re: The Ashes 2017/18

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    So should Cook jack it all in? Should Broad be dropped? Should Moeen be left out?
    Cook, not sure, really poor form saved by that big 200 against an awful Windies team.
    Maybe he’ll retire after the ashes anyway.

    Broad, definitely, worst of all the bowlers.

    Moeen, another definitely, 2nd worse of all the bowlers.

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    Re: The Ashes 2017/18

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42401032

    Pretty good summary

    Lot of focus on Cook having a poor tour but Ali , Root and Broad are equally culpable but I don’t see them going yet - don’t see too many knocking on the door. Should have taken a better spin option than Crane - England aren’t blessed with bowlers that are going to sling it down at over 88mph and from a height so not sure what other bowler should have gone.

    Root has also been poor as a skipper - but the worst thing is they have had chances to stay in the Ashes in all the tests - they just haven’t taken them

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