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    Re: Another Short Game Thread

    Bill and Ben are on the first tee, Bill slices his drive out of bounds and Ben hits a beauty down the middle.
    Bill hits his reload down the middle and hits a lovely 4th shot to 10 feet.
    Ben hits his 2nd shot to 20ft and 3 putts for a bogey. Bill holes his 10 footer also for a bogey.
    Guess who is in a better mood on the second tee?
    Bill hits 3 wood off the 2nd tee

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    Re: Another Short Game Thread

    I expect to hit most greens in reg. Perhaps miss maybe 4 or 5 a round on an average day. Say 12 greens in reg which i would like to think i should be expecting to hole 3-4 one putts. The other 6 holes that were missed in regulation resulting in a 3x up and down and 3x 2 putts.

    So that would equal, on average, around 30 putts per round. So for me, anything below that is good. 30 is my yardstick.

    I'm interested to know if you think i'm looking at it incorrectly.
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    Re: Another Short Game Thread

    Its equally important for the high handicap and low man to have a good day with the putter and to put some work and effort into improving.

    Its the easiest way for the high man to come down shots and its the thing that really decides if the low man has a good day or an alright day.
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    Re: Another Short Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yant View Post
    I expect to hit most greens in reg. Perhaps miss maybe 4 or 5 a round on an average day. Say 12 greens in reg which i would like to think i should be expecting to hole 3-4 one putts. The other 6 holes that were missed in regulation resulting in a 3x up and down and 3x 2 putts.

    So that would equal, on average, around 30 putts per round. So for me, anything below that is good. 30 is my yardstick.

    I'm interested to know if you think i'm looking at it incorrectly.
    Because, by whatever maths you use, if you just miss a green by a couple of inches that's one less putt than you would have had otherwise. But presumably you can get that chip just as near as the putt would have been. One less in regulation, but one less putt as well.

    As PaulJames said earlier in the thread - if you were to hit every green in regulation then 36 putts makes you a scratch golfer. If, as you say, you miss 5 greens in regulation in a round, but you expect to get around 30 putts in the day also, then you are expecting to finish every round one under par?? I mean, fair play if you are doing that as that's obviously very good. But otherwise you're setting very high expectations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yant View Post
    I expect to hit most greens in reg. Perhaps miss maybe 4 or 5 a round on an average day. Say 12 greens in reg which i would like to think i should be expecting to hole 3-4 one putts. The other 6 holes that were missed in regulation resulting in a 3x up and down and 3x 2 putts.

    So that would equal, on average, around 30 putts per round. So for me, anything below that is good. 30 is my yardstick.

    I'm interested to know if you think i'm looking at it incorrectly.
    It's interesting as I average about the same putts per round

    However, I don't hit as many GIRs but tend to get up and down a lot

    Therefore I have several single putts after chipping close, whereas on the GIRs I maybe only single putt say 20% as the putts are longer (having come in with a mid iron rather than a chip)

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    Re: Another Short Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yant View Post
    I expect to hit most greens in reg. Perhaps miss maybe 4 or 5 a round on an average day. Say 12 greens in reg which i would like to think i should be expecting to hole 3-4 one putts. The other 6 holes that were missed in regulation resulting in a 3x up and down and 3x 2 putts.

    So that would equal, on average, around 30 putts per round. So for me, anything below that is good. 30 is my yardstick.

    I'm interested to know if you think i'm looking at it incorrectly.


    this is one of my favourite pictures in golf. brings it home to check on average what you should be

    my GG has me off 26 to be that on average I should :

    drive 155 (I beat that often)
    fairways / semi hit 38% id say im there or there abouts
    putts per round 38 I average 35 atm so beating that
    pens per round 2.6 im on that.
    greens in reg 2 per round about right again

    now to get to 18 I need to

    drive 185 on average.. I average 179 I reckon so need a few more yards
    fairways need to be 40% which im getting there
    greens in reg need to be 3 ., this is an area I need to improve
    putts per round 35... perfect on target
    pens per round 1.8.. this is prob where I need the most work

    can have clear targets here and opens your eyes

    30 putts or more is bad? well unless your off 4 or less i wouldnt worry about it.
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    Re: Another Short Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bobmac View Post
    Bill and Ben are on the first tee, Bill slices his drive out of bounds and Ben hits a beauty down the middle.
    Bill hits his reload down the middle and hits a lovely 4th shot to 10 feet.
    Ben hits his 2nd shot to 20ft and 3 putts for a bogey. Bill holes his 10 footer also for a bogey.
    Guess who is in a better mood on the second tee?
    Bill hits 3 wood off the 2nd tee

    My thought is you can recover from a poor tee shot but you can't from a 3 putt
    Interesting analogy but if you were offered three of the tee or two on the green, then I know which one I'd take and I'd be confident that 90% of the time that person stood on the green in two would score better. Short game is clearly important but I do think it's overestimated because of the pros - there it's different as they all get tee to green pretty consistently so it elevates you to being the best by having a great short game/mental game. Would not say the same for a mid-handicapper like me.

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    Re: Another Short Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yant View Post
    I expect to hit most greens in reg. Perhaps miss maybe 4 or 5 a round on an average day. Say 12 greens in reg which i would like to think i should be expecting to hole 3-4 one putts. The other 6 holes that were missed in regulation resulting in a 3x up and down and 3x 2 putts.

    So that would equal, on average, around 30 putts per round. So for me, anything below that is good. 30 is my yardstick.

    I'm interested to know if you think i'm looking at it incorrectly.
    You don't mention your handicap, I assume it is scratch or better.
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    Re: Another Short Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by pauljames87 View Post


    this is one of my favourite pictures in golf. brings it home to check on average what you should be

    my GG has me off 26 to be that on average I should :

    drive 155 (I beat that often)
    fairways / semi hit 38% id say im there or there abouts
    putts per round 38 I average 35 atm so beating that
    pens per round 2.6 im on that.
    greens in reg 2 per round about right again

    now to get to 18 I need to

    drive 185 on average.. I average 179 I reckon so need a few more yards
    fairways need to be 40% which im getting there
    greens in reg need to be 3 ., this is an area I need to improve
    putts per round 35... perfect on target
    pens per round 1.8.. this is prob where I need the most work

    can have clear targets here and opens your eyes

    30 putts or more is bad? well unless your off 4 or less i wouldnt worry about it.
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    Which book was the picture taken from ?
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