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    spent some time in the sand yesterday

    Here is the clips. Warts and all. Loads of poor shots in there.

    Been trying to swing more shallow into the ball in an attempt to get a shallow strike under the ball. Results weren't great. Thought I had my weight left but can see my top half hanging way back on the side views in the 16th bunker.

    Eventually decided to try what I call the 'birchy bunker method'. Watched him play bunker shots like this and he keeps it very simple. He sets up square, ball about middle, face square and hands a little ahead. Simply digs in about 4 inches behind and ball pops out and flys straight. Works well if not in a big silly pot bunker.

    As you can see getting out isn't a problem. Distance control is brutal mind you.

    Wedges are high bounce and the 60 has a huge sole.

    Feel free to comment and give me ideas what to try next. Might book a bunker lesson. Could be fun.

    Videos to follow...
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    Titleist 913 F 16* 4 wood
    Titleist 913 19* 5 wood
    Titleist 915 24* hybrid
    Titleist 915 27* hybrid
    Mizuno Fli Hi JPX (2012) 6 & 7
    Titleist 714ap2 8-gap
    Vokey SM 6 56* 14*bounce
    Titleist sm5 k grind 60* 11*bounce
    Lee Trevino Napa style putter
    handicap updated to --(2017)8.2---8.4---8.2---8.0---7.8--

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    Re: spent some time in the sand yesterday

    Titleist 910 9.5* (old trusty)
    Titleist 913 F 16* 4 wood
    Titleist 913 19* 5 wood
    Titleist 915 24* hybrid
    Titleist 915 27* hybrid
    Mizuno Fli Hi JPX (2012) 6 & 7
    Titleist 714ap2 8-gap
    Vokey SM 6 56* 14*bounce
    Titleist sm5 k grind 60* 11*bounce
    Lee Trevino Napa style putter
    handicap updated to --(2017)8.2---8.4---8.2---8.0---7.8--

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    Re: spent some time in the sand yesterday

    Titleist 910 9.5* (old trusty)
    Titleist 913 F 16* 4 wood
    Titleist 913 19* 5 wood
    Titleist 915 24* hybrid
    Titleist 915 27* hybrid
    Mizuno Fli Hi JPX (2012) 6 & 7
    Titleist 714ap2 8-gap
    Vokey SM 6 56* 14*bounce
    Titleist sm5 k grind 60* 11*bounce
    Lee Trevino Napa style putter
    handicap updated to --(2017)8.2---8.4---8.2---8.0---7.8--

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    Re: spent some time in the sand yesterday

    Titleist 910 9.5* (old trusty)
    Titleist 913 F 16* 4 wood
    Titleist 913 19* 5 wood
    Titleist 915 24* hybrid
    Titleist 915 27* hybrid
    Mizuno Fli Hi JPX (2012) 6 & 7
    Titleist 714ap2 8-gap
    Vokey SM 6 56* 14*bounce
    Titleist sm5 k grind 60* 11*bounce
    Lee Trevino Napa style putter
    handicap updated to --(2017)8.2---8.4---8.2---8.0---7.8--

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    Re: spent some time in the sand yesterday

    Titleist 910 9.5* (old trusty)
    Titleist 913 F 16* 4 wood
    Titleist 913 19* 5 wood
    Titleist 915 24* hybrid
    Titleist 915 27* hybrid
    Mizuno Fli Hi JPX (2012) 6 & 7
    Titleist 714ap2 8-gap
    Vokey SM 6 56* 14*bounce
    Titleist sm5 k grind 60* 11*bounce
    Lee Trevino Napa style putter
    handicap updated to --(2017)8.2---8.4---8.2---8.0---7.8--

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    Re: spent some time in the sand yesterday

    Titleist 910 9.5* (old trusty)
    Titleist 913 F 16* 4 wood
    Titleist 913 19* 5 wood
    Titleist 915 24* hybrid
    Titleist 915 27* hybrid
    Mizuno Fli Hi JPX (2012) 6 & 7
    Titleist 714ap2 8-gap
    Vokey SM 6 56* 14*bounce
    Titleist sm5 k grind 60* 11*bounce
    Lee Trevino Napa style putter
    handicap updated to --(2017)8.2---8.4---8.2---8.0---7.8--

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    Re: spent some time in the sand yesterday

    TBH thats not what i would call a bunker....

    have you tried just chipping normally to get out?

    When i was playing some parkland golf a few weeks ago from this type of shallow trap with next to no lip (face) and no sand/ packed hard. we all just chipped out like we would off a path or the like.
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    Re: spent some time in the sand yesterday

    Quote Originally Posted by patricks148 View Post
    TBH thats not what i would call a bunker....

    have you tried just chipping normally to get out?

    When i was playing some parkland golf a few weeks ago from this type of shallow trap with next to no lip (face) and no sand/ packed hard. we all just chipped out like we would off a path or the like.
    There is plenty of sand in those bunkers. Just constantly wet and brown looking due to non stop rain here.

    When faced with long bunker shots I do tend to play this like a regular pitch.

    That 'birchy bunker method' is like a regular chip although you just hit it 4 inches fat to get under the ball.
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    Titleist 913 F 16* 4 wood
    Titleist 913 19* 5 wood
    Titleist 915 24* hybrid
    Titleist 915 27* hybrid
    Mizuno Fli Hi JPX (2012) 6 & 7
    Titleist 714ap2 8-gap
    Vokey SM 6 56* 14*bounce
    Titleist sm5 k grind 60* 11*bounce
    Lee Trevino Napa style putter
    handicap updated to --(2017)8.2---8.4---8.2---8.0---7.8--

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    Re: spent some time in the sand yesterday

    Why are you trying to get a more shallow angle of attack?
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    Re: spent some time in the sand yesterday

    *insert no expert disclaimer here*

    I'm guessing from your intro you're not overly confident in the technique and aren't getting the results you want, so if you'll allow me to be constructively critical...

    It was pretty breezy eh?!

    I'd say your left hand grip looks strong, which might be you opening the clubface by turning your hands over rather than turning the club in your grip? I thought you were squaring the face in the description but it looks pretty open to me?

    A lot of your shots bounce right, not just cos of wind at a guess, you're cutting across it which is fine if you allow for and can control the bounce/spin right on landing. In left to right winds like the first video it's a killer so maybe work on a bunker shot that doesn't chop across as much.

    Your follow through looks full and relaxed. Not a bad thing at all. I wonder if it's a bit too relaxed though! Are you getting the acceleration through impact you need particularly to get the ball up very quickly if faced with a steep face?

    It also almost looks like your body falls back after impact. If you want your weight to be behind the ball I guess this is what you'd do but I always though your sternum should be over the impact point in the sand.

    I'd be worried about brushing the sand on the way back with that shallow a take away. The way I was taught was a steep take away and impact, transferring all the weight to the lead foot. Distance is controlled by

    1. How open you set up - both in terms of body and clubface
    2. how far forward the ball is (also controls height/trajectory)
    3. How much sand you take.

    Generally I'm looking to take a decent amount of sand on all but very long shots because at ours the sand depth is very variable (as is the condition after rain etc). I reckon if you play a lovely american fluffy sand course then the shallow technique is grand, but in the variability I face at least I prefer to have one shot type that I can vary with set up, rather than a bunch of shot types. I know its not whats taught in a lot of places but it works for me!

    More than one way to skin this cat!

    Good man for putting videos up, I haven't done this and might do over the winter - you'll have a good chance to get me back then
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