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    Re: Why oh why am i struggling with my 5 iron

    Have your clubheads measured for both loft and lie angle by a professional club builder to ensure proper specs. If they are okay and you still have a problem with your #5 iron I would suggest making the lie angle more upright - approximately the same as your #6 iron.
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    Re: Why oh why am i struggling with my 5 iron

    Quote Originally Posted by patricks148 View Post
    isn't 24 deg the same as a 4 iron, so getting a 24 deg hybrid surely isn't a direct replacement for a 5 iron?

    It depends on the manufacturer. It is a MD Seve their gapping is 18 (3), 21 (4) 24 (5)

    Taylormade Rescue M2 their gapping is 19 (3), 22 (4), 25(5)

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    Re: Why oh why am i struggling with my 5 iron

    Quote Originally Posted by patricks148 View Post
    isn't 24 deg the same as a 4 iron, so getting a 24 deg hybrid surely isn't a direct replacement for a 5 iron?
    Not necessarily. The 5 iron in my Callaway Warbird set is 23 degrees.
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    Re: Why oh why am i struggling with my 5 iron

    Quote Originally Posted by Orikoru View Post
    Not necessarily. The 5 iron in my Callaway Warbird set is 23 degrees.
    you 5 iron is stronger than my 4 iron then.

    Traditions lofts are;
    1iron 16
    2 iron 18
    3 iron 21
    4 iron 24
    5 iron 27
    6 iron 30
    7 iron 34
    8 iron 38
    9 iron 43
    PW 47 , but not so long ago a Pw was 50
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    Re: Why oh why am i struggling with my 5 iron

    Quote Originally Posted by patricks148 View Post
    you 5 iron is stronger than my 4 iron then.

    Traditions lofts are;
    1iron 16
    2 iron 18
    3 iron 21
    4 iron 24
    5 iron 27
    6 iron 30
    7 iron 34
    8 iron 38
    9 iron 43
    PW 47 , but not so long ago a Pw was 50
    Had mine over a year now but initially I never knew what the lofts were, I emailed Callaway a few months ago to find out.
    5 = 23
    6 = 26
    7 = 30
    8 = 34.5
    9 = 39
    P = 44
    S = 54

    Yes they do appear to be very strong compared to most sets of irons I see. Possibly why I also struggle with my 5 iron. Long term goals (next year maybe), I might be looking to get a set Mizuno JPX's. The lofts are a lot softer on them I think.
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    • TaylorMade R11-S (set to 12°)
    • Adams Speedline Fast 12 5 wood, 17°
    • Adams Blue 4 hybrid, 22°
    • Callaway Warbird irons 5-SW
    • Cleveland RTX-3, 50°
    • Odyssey Works 1W putter
    • DX2 Soft
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    Re: Why oh why am i struggling with my 5 iron

    Quote Originally Posted by Orikoru View Post
    Had mine over a year now but initially I never knew what the lofts were, I emailed Callaway a few months ago to find out.
    5 = 23
    6 = 26
    7 = 30
    8 = 34.5
    9 = 39
    P = 44
    S = 54

    Yes they do appear to be very strong compared to most sets of irons I see. Possibly why I also struggle with my 5 iron. Long term goals (next year maybe), I might be looking to get a set Mizuno JPX's. The lofts are a lot softer on them I think.
    most manufactures have strengthened the lofts over the last few years even the players clubs are a bit stronger. PW seems to be the favorite to start with. i think i saw a set recently where the PW was 42 deg, but can't remember who's though.

    was a post on here recently about someone saying they were hitting their 4 iron well and wanted a 3 iron, so got a 21 deg flihi type only to find the 4 iron was the same loft, so already had a 3 iron
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    Re: Why oh why am i struggling with my 5 iron

    Quote Originally Posted by patricks148 View Post
    most manufactures have strengthened the lofts over the last few years even the players clubs are a bit stronger. PW seems to be the favorite to start with. i think i saw a set recently where the PW was 42 deg, but can't remember who's though.

    was a post on here recently about someone saying they were hitting their 4 iron well and wanted a 3 iron, so got a 21 deg flihi type only to find the 4 iron was the same loft, so already had a 3 iron
    Haha - yeah, the main reason I needed to find out the lofts were because I wanted to buy a gap wedge, but obviously had to make sure the gap was somewhere in between the PW and SW. If I hadn't have checked I probably would have got a 52 which would have been a bit close to the SW loft. Ended up buying a 50 because if I do get Mizunos and the lofts are a tad softer, the 50 should still fit in ok.
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    • TaylorMade R11-S (set to 12°)
    • Adams Speedline Fast 12 5 wood, 17°
    • Adams Blue 4 hybrid, 22°
    • Callaway Warbird irons 5-SW
    • Cleveland RTX-3, 50°
    • Odyssey Works 1W putter
    • DX2 Soft
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    Re: Why oh why am i struggling with my 5 iron

    Quote Originally Posted by Orikoru View Post
    Haha - yeah, the main reason I needed to find out the lofts were because I wanted to buy a gap wedge, but obviously had to make sure the gap was somewhere in between the PW and SW. If I hadn't have checked I probably would have got a 52 which would have been a bit close to the SW loft. Ended up buying a 50 because if I do get Mizunos and the lofts are a tad softer, the 50 should still fit in ok.
    first decent set of irons i got when i started back in 2006 were 3-SW now most sets don't even have a 3 iron and only go up to PW
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    Re: Why oh why am i struggling with my 5 iron

    Quote Originally Posted by patricks148 View Post
    first decent set of irons i got when i started back in 2006 were 3-SW now most sets don't even have a 3 iron and only go up to PW
    My starter set that I got over a decade ago (Slazenger set from JJB sports or something) was D, 3W, 5W, 3-SW. Two years ago my mate started playing and nowadays the typical starter set that he got (his is Dunlop) has D, 3W, a hybrid and 4-SW I think. As you say, I never see iron sets with a 3 in them. It's either 4-PW or 5-SW.

    I must admit I didn't miss the 3 iron at all when I got the new irons.
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    • TaylorMade R11-S (set to 12°)
    • Adams Speedline Fast 12 5 wood, 17°
    • Adams Blue 4 hybrid, 22°
    • Callaway Warbird irons 5-SW
    • Cleveland RTX-3, 50°
    • Odyssey Works 1W putter
    • DX2 Soft
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    Re: Why oh why am i struggling with my 5 iron

    Up until 2010 there was a gentleman's agreement throughout the golf industry as to loft/lie angles in relation to the numbered irons. This changed when TaylorMade began strengthening the loft angles on their irons with the result being that today there is no standardization in the golf industry as to loft angles which means that one brand's #7 iron might be the equivalent to another brand's #6 iron. This was pure marketing hype and, in my opinion, a deception to consumers as it was done in order to give the illusion that a particular brand's golf clubs produce increased distance. You have heard golfers say it a thousand times: "I can hit this #8 iron one club farther then my old #8 iron". The fact is that they can't. What they can do is hit an #8 iron with a 35º loft angle farther than an #8 iron with a 39º loft angle.

    This created another serious problem for the customer because prior to 2010 the standard was a 4º loft angle progression between all irons within a set (#3 iron through LW) which ensured an exact yardage gap between clubs. Today this is not the case. The #3 iron has been deleted by most companies because it is, in essence, a current #4 iron, and this basic re-numbering of irons has led to the elimination of a crucial middle iron. As an example, the current loft angle progression of the TaylorMade M2s is:

    Iron #

    4 19.0º
    5 21.5º
    6 25.0º
    7 28.5º
    8 33.0º
    9 38.0º
    PW 43.5º
    GW 49.0º
    SW 54.0º
    LW 59.0º

    With loft angle progressions of:

    4 to 5 2.5º
    5 to 6 3.5º
    6 to 7 3.5º
    7 to 8 4.5º
    8 to 9 5.0º
    9 to PW 5.5º
    PW to GW 5.5º
    GW to SW 5.0º
    SW to LW 5.0º

    As can be seen, by strengthening the loft angle of the long and middle irons the company has effectively eliminated a middle iron resulting in an extreme variance in loft angle progression and a decided yardage gap variance through a set.

    Here are the pre-2010 industry standard loft angles and loft angle progressions:

    Iron #

    3 20.0º
    4 24.0º
    5 28.0º
    6 32.0º
    7 36.0º
    8 40.0º
    9 44.0º
    PW 48.0º
    GW 52.0º
    SW 56.0º
    LW 60.0º


    3 to 4 4.0º
    4 to 5 4.0º
    5 to 6 4.0º
    6 to 7 4.0º
    7 to 8 4.0º
    8 to 9 4.0º
    9 to PW 4.0º
    PW to GW 4.0º
    GW to SW 4.0º
    SW to LW 4.0º

    I have used TaylorMade as an example but if you take an average of all of the brands on the market today you will find basically the same thing.

    David Lake
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