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    Re: Attack or defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweep View Post
    I have been playing this great game for 25+ years and throughout most of my golfing "career" I have been stuck between 16 and 18 handicap. I play on a tough golf course but I still believe I have the game to get to say 14. I have a decent swing that in reality should get me to a lower handicap and I confess it frustrates me when I see guys with much worse swings get lower than me with seemingly relative ease. Whilst the vast majority of my rounds get me in buffer or 0.1 back I always seem to do well in any nett eclectic competition, so it seems I have quite a lot of pars and birdies in relation to my handicap.
    Thinking about this today and trying to be realistic on what I have to do to play to 14, I came to the conclusion that I am always going to have at least one double bogey in a round. If I allow myself 2 doubles and rely on 6 pars which is reasonable based on my usual score, that's 4 under off 18 which attains my 14 goal.
    It sounds easy, but it clearly never happens. Maybe because I will usually throw a couple of 7s or 8s into the mix.
    This begs the question, bearing in mind my good eclectic scores and the amount of doubles or worse a typical round returns, am I playing too aggressively? Should I be concentrating on keeping the doubles or worse off my card rather than just trying to get the best score I can on each hole? If so, what does this mean? There seems little point in laying up from 150 yds even if like most 18 cappers I miss 65% of GIR. I know that because of this my chipping must improve and I am working hard on this.
    Sorry for the indulgent post but I think this is an issue faced by a lot of golfers around my standard and I would greatly appreciate any constructive advice.

    This is is very similar to me, stagnated at 17 for the last 5 years, lowest was 16.8 highest 18 for the past 20 years. Ours is a tough course as well and I've been told by friends that I should be capable of getting to 15.


    I think at our h/c consistentcy and course management are factors, my course management is good now but I would rarely lay up from 150 , I don't have many high scores any more on holes and if I just have 2 doubles a round I can make that up with pars.

    The reason my h/c is not coming down is simply that I'm not good enough at chipping which is frustrating because I should be chipping closer for more chances of pars.

    Im sure if I put more practice in I could get better at chipping and the h/c would come down but to be honest practice tends to bore me ,but if your putting the practice in on this part of your game I would think that would be the way to go.

    Good luck maybe next season our h/c might come down.

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    Re: Attack or defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rlburnside View Post
    This is is very similar to me, stagnated at 17 for the last 5 years, lowest was 16.8 highest 18 for the past 20 years. Ours is a tough course as well and I've been told by friends that I should be capable of getting to 15.


    I think at our h/c consistentcy and course management are factors, my course management is good now but I would rarely lay up from 150 , I don't have many high scores any more on holes and if I just have 2 doubles a round I can make that up with pars.

    The reason my h/c is not coming down is simply that I'm not good enough at chipping which is frustrating because I should be chipping closer for more chances of pars.

    Im sure if I put more practice in I could get better at chipping and the h/c would come down but to be honest practice tends to bore me ,but if your putting the practice in on this part of your game I would think that would be the way to go.

    Good luck maybe next season our h/c might come down.
    I've found a good way of making practice less boring is to take stats and have challenges and keep a record and then try and beat my best next time out. Adds an element of pressure so more realistic than just chipping or pitching over and over

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    Re: Attack or defend?

    Plan all you want, but, us high [ ish ] handicappers are just as likely to duff a fairway wood, as we are a simple chip or putt.
    Well i know i'm capable of it
    Last edited by williamalex1; 28-Sep-2017 at 22:21.
    handicap 15.5 sadly now 16.5

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    Re: Attack or defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by jim8flog View Post
    Ben Hogan once said "I always allow myself 2 double bogeys in a round, it's only when I get to 3 that I start to worry"
    He also said he only ever hit 5 or 6 shots a round exactly as intended, which is food for thought at our level.

    Quote Originally Posted by FairwayDodger View Post
    Big thing that improved my score was (almost) eliminating double bogeys. I was very guilty of trying to pull off a hero shot to rescue par after a bad shot - often attempting shots that I never practiced and, frankly, just couldn't play. Sometimes just playing an aggressive shot to get close to a sucker pin.

    Now when I get out of position one of the things I tell myself is "don't turn a bogey into a double". For example, you might have a very challenging shot out of a horrible spot to a green with a world of trouble around it, but a (relatively) simple layup to just short of the green that would still leave a chip and putt for par but very little chance of the double.

    OK, sometimes you still fancy the shot and take it on, and sometimes the situation demands it but it's important not to throw away shots needlessly - especially off a handicap that you only need a handful of pars to break if you cut out the disaster holes.
    This ^^^. I've played a few good rounds recently and it's been achieved by playing to my capabilities and taking my medicine, not by playing Seve shots.

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    Re: Attack or defend?

    Golf is hard, shooting under bogey golf is quite a good standard.



    If you play off 16 you must be making 16+ mistakes a round. Write them down after each round and find the patterns, then work on that.
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    Re: Attack or defend?

    Keep the ball in play
    Aim at middle of the greens
    Have a reasonable short game

    Should do the trick 👍

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    Re: Attack or defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by FairwayDodger View Post
    Big thing that improved my score was (almost) eliminating double bogeys. I was very guilty of trying to pull off a hero shot to rescue par after a bad shot - often attempting shots that I never practiced and, frankly, just couldn't play. Sometimes just playing an aggressive shot to get close to a sucker pin.

    Now when I get out of position one of the things I tell myself is "don't turn a bogey into a double". For example, you might have a very challenging shot out of a horrible spot to a green with a world of trouble around it, but a (relatively) simple layup to just short of the green that would still leave a chip and putt for par but very little chance of the double.

    OK, sometimes you still fancy the shot and take it on, and sometimes the situation demands it but it's important not to throw away shots needlessly - especially off a handicap that you only need a handful of pars to break if you cut out the disaster holes.
    Nailed it word for word.

    Think about it, if you've hit an iffy tee shot into the rough it will further back from the green that you wouldn't normally hit in regulation off your handicap anyway. Are you really going to hit it from further back out of the rough? Wedge/9/8 iron it 100yds further forward, leaving you a very easy shot onto the green. Yes its a bogey but its a net par for you, and you still have a chance of making par. If you go for the hero shot you bring a potential double bogey into the equation.
    Give it big humpties

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    Re: Attack or defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by FairwayDodger View Post
    Big thing that improved my score was (almost) eliminating double bogeys. I was very guilty of trying to pull off a hero shot to rescue par after a bad shot - often attempting shots that I never practiced and, frankly, just couldn't play. Sometimes just playing an aggressive shot to get close to a sucker pin.

    Now when I get out of position one of the things I tell myself is "don't turn a bogey into a double". For example, you might have a very challenging shot out of a horrible spot to a green with a world of trouble around it, but a (relatively) simple layup to just short of the green that would still leave a chip and putt for par but very little chance of the double.

    OK, sometimes you still fancy the shot and take it on, and sometimes the situation demands it but it's important not to throw away shots needlessly - especially off a handicap that you only need a handful of pars to break if you cut out the disaster holes.
    Now I know why I play off 4 instead of 2

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    Re: Attack or defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson View Post
    I've found a good way of making practice less boring is to take stats and have challenges and keep a record and then try and beat my best next time out. Adds an element of pressure so more realistic than just chipping or pitching over and over
    Thats probebly a good way for you to practice Homer but just the word "stats" bores me I would much rather go out and play than practice not the best way to try to reduce a h/c . I do practice sometimes on the course if it's not busy chipping 3/4 balls on most holes. I watched your blog chipping from 50 yards which was a good idea I thought, but for me I couldn't go on a course just to do that I would have to play a round.

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    Re: Attack or defend?

    I reckon from looking at my game this year, I have a 50:50 chance of hitting a good shot result (ie fairway hit or GIR, this is not necessary a good shot, just a good result).

    I am however good at just progressing the ball, may not be pretty alot of the time but it works and I don't waste shot, like with duff chips(I make sure I get on the green)

    Also this year in comps everytime I end up in the trees I chip out sidewards and then continue, definitely has helped to take trebles and doubles off my card in comps. But I always hit driver off the tee(assuming the hole does not take drive out your hands) and on par 5s always look to hit it as far as I can towards the green, I never lay up unless there is a hazard and in that case would hit it as far as I can without risking going in the hazard. Why would I ever wish to lay up, easier to hit a green closer to it in my case.

    I am not a good golfer(either off the tee, fairway, chipping, putting) and hit alot of mis-hits and bad shots, but I almost always progress the ball, to play to about 10 you do not need to be great, you need to keep it in play and not waste silly shots(like duffing a short chip or hero shots out of trees/rough) and be a steady putter of the ball(ie. 32ish putts a around).
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