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    Ryder Cup Winner FairwayDodger's Avatar
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    Re: Ladies match issue

    Quote Originally Posted by shortgame View Post
    Mens/Scratch/Ladies/Juniors/Veterans should make no difference, all should be afforded the same respect and courtesy

    Sadly this isn't always the case
    Indeed. I doubt there would have been the same level of moaning had it been a men's team match.

    On several occasions I've been in the first group in a team match and waited on almost every shot for men in front who I dare say would never have done that to the men's scratch team.

    Golf has a long way to go to eradicate such sexist attitudes.
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    Re: Ladies match issue

    Irrelevant of whether I'm playing in a comp, match, social game.
    I let any group through regardless of sex or age if they are faster than thou.
    And that's how it should be.

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    Re: Ladies match issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesbrown View Post
    Irrelevant of whether I'm playing in a comp, match, social game.
    I let any group through regardless of sex or age if they are faster than thou.
    And that's how it should be.
    100% agree, competition or not, if your faster and will move on ahead into a gap then your going through. Has to be a gap or slower groups ahead to go through, unless we are just painfully slow and will help ease some tension.
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    Re: Ladies match issue

    Just been down to the club and found out a few more details to answer some of the comments posted.

    The final fourball teed off at around 9.40am and finished at 3.15. 5 hours 35 minutes.
    It is not a private club - it is one of the Crown group where "the club" has playing rights on the course.
    All of the women players were loudly complaining afterwards about being pressured from behind with an attitude of "we were in a match so we had total priority".

    It is the latter comment that is drawing the most ire. Just because you are playing a match that is important in your own little world does not give you the right to ruin everyone else's game behind you.

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    Re: Ladies match issue

    over five and a half hours is inexcusable,
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    Re: Ladies match issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Pathetic Shark View Post
    Just been down to the club and found out a few more details to answer some of the comments posted.

    The final fourball teed off at around 9.40am and finished at 3.15. 5 hours 35 minutes.
    It is not a private club - it is one of the Crown group where "the club" has playing rights on the course.
    All of the women players were loudly complaining afterwards about being pressured from behind with an attitude of "we were in a match so we had total priority".

    It is the latter comment that is drawing the most ire. Just because you are playing a match that is important in your own little world does not give you the right to ruin everyone else's game behind you.
    Ever considered that the entire team match may have been held up by P&P groups in front?

    5hr 30 isn't unusual, at times, for some Crown courses!!

    And you still haven't resolved whether the claim of 'total priority' was correct or not! That's something that needs to be determined before any criticism is made!
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    Re: Ladies match issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragamuffin Gunner View Post
    Is the fact that they were ladies relevant?
    I've played at multiple clubs where if you tee off after the alloted ladies slot then your not getting through plain and simple. seems common amongst the clubs I've played that women refuse to let the men through

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    Re: Ladies match issue

    Quote Originally Posted by FairwayDodger View Post
    Indeed. I doubt there would have been the same level of moaning had it been a men's team match.

    On several occasions I've been in the first group in a team match and waited on almost every shot for men in front who I dare say would never have done that to the men's scratch team.

    Golf has a long way to go to eradicate such sexist attitudes.
    Yep - it's tiring to be honest and frustrating - one reason I play less golf these days...

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    Re: Ladies match issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Pathetic Shark View Post
    Just been down to the club and found out a few more details to answer some of the comments posted.

    The final fourball teed off at around 9.40am and finished at 3.15. 5 hours 35 minutes.
    It is not a private club - it is one of the Crown group where "the club" has playing rights on the course.
    All of the women players were loudly complaining afterwards about being pressured from behind with an attitude of "we were in a match so we had total priority".

    It is the latter comment that is drawing the most ire. Just because you are playing a match that is important in your own little world does not give you the right to ruin everyone else's game behind you.
    If I teed off behind a match I wouldn't expect to get through, nor would I pressure them by playing close up behind them. If invited through I'd politely decline - there's no point in going through when there's x number of matches in front of them. Equally, if I was in a match I'd be disappointed to be chased. If playing slowly for whatever reason I'd offer the group behind to go through.

    5.5 hours is too long, and a politely worded letter to the team captain might be as far as I'd expect the club to go. Representative matches from ladies, gents, juniors, rabbits etc are part of the fabric of the game, and I respect that.
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    Re: Ladies match issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    If I teed off behind a match I wouldn't expect to get through, nor would I pressure them by playing close up behind them. If invited through I'd politely decline - there's no point in going through when there's x number of matches in front of them. Equally, if I was in a match I'd be disappointed to be chased. If playing slowly for whatever reason I'd offer the group behind to go through.

    5.5 hours is too long, and a politely worded letter to the team captain might be as far as I'd expect the club to go. Representative matches from ladies, gents, juniors, rabbits etc are part of the fabric of the game, and I respect that.
    Sums it up nicely for me. As an aside, Mrs BiM asked what I was posting about; I gave her the brief circumstances and her immediate comment was "Surely if you're that slow you should let people through?"………..

    Quote Originally Posted by FairwayDodger View Post
    Indeed. I doubt there would have been the same level of moaning had it been a men's team match.

    On several occasions I've been in the first group in a team match and waited on almost every shot for men in front who I dare say would never have done that to the men's scratch team.

    Golf has a long way to go to eradicate such sexist attitudes.
    Having been on the wrong end of a completely unjustified mouthful from ladies who had chosen to go off early behind a club 4 ball match I can assure you that it cuts both ways Karen.

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