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    Re: Is CSS flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacko_G View Post
    We finally agree on something!

    we've agreed on a lot, just disagreed on more

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    Re: Is CSS flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by murphthemog View Post
    What if I want to go up and get a shot back?

    My point is more that if I want to maintain a handicap, and not be affected by the scores of other players, i am better off putting in supplementary cards than entering competitions.

    It is crazy that if one person enters a supplementary, he is measured against SSS, but if one person enters a comp, he is measured against CSS, his own score?
    CSS, being a measure of how well or badly the entire group is playing, can obviously not be applied to one player playing a supplementary. That is why supplementaries - and small field CSS calculations - have to be judged against SSS. That doesn't make it crazy.

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    Re: Is CSS flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by rosecott View Post
    CSS, being a measure of how well or badly the entire group is playing, can obviously not be applied to one player playing a supplementary. That is why supplementaries - and small field CSS calculations - have to be judged against SSS. That doesn't make it crazy.
    Yes it does. I agree totally that the whole handicap system is flawed and always maintained that it is biased towards the higher handicap however that's not really what is being done here.

    Having done the course rating course I can see how flawed the whole system is from start to finish. The system isn't just crazy, it's totally bonkers!
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    Re: Is CSS flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by murphthemog View Post
    What if I want to go up and get a shot back?

    My point is more that if I want to maintain a handicap, and not be affected by the scores of other players, i am better off putting in supplementary cards than entering competitions.

    It is crazy that if one person enters a supplementary, he is measured against SSS, but if one person enters a comp, he is measured against CSS, his own score?
    Glad I'm not alone on this.

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    Re: Is CSS flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by doublebogey7 View Post
    The whole point of handicaps is to enable players to compete against one another, to do that they have to be a refelction of one players ability relative to anyone elses Handicaps were not devised to identify our playing ability against the course.
    you get your handicap playing the course though when you put your three cards in initially.
    Theres no css to determine how hard the conditions are
    I tend to agree others scores should not determine my hcap.
    If I play am and conditions are bad but improve for others pm their scores do affect my hcap that's not right.

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    Re: Is CSS flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by clubchamp98 View Post
    you get your handicap playing the course though when you put your three cards in initially.
    Theres no css to determine how hard the conditions are
    I tend to agree others scores should not determine my hcap.
    If I play am and conditions are bad but improve for others pm their scores do affect my hcap that's not right.
    So if there is no CSS and you always find yourself playing in dreadful conditions for a length of time but your playing ability does not change, your handicap is likely to keep going up?

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    Re: Is CSS flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jates12 View Post
    Our Par is 68, our SSS is 67 and our CSS is always 67. It means that you have to play 2 under your HC to get a cut. It is quite frustrating but knowing that its always there its what I try and play too. Ive only ever seen it at 68 once or twice in the 3 years ive played there and never 69.

    There is always someone in with a 64 or 42 points regardless of conditions
    Rubbish!!

    Sure, you need to play 2 under Par to get a cut, but that's NOT 2 under your handicap!

    And there's certainly likely to be at least 1 who has 'one of those' rounds! Btw. (Nett) 64 is not 42 points!
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    Re: Is CSS flawed?

    I think the reason he struggles to play to handicap at is home course, is more than likely the set up during the summer months.
    It's always windy there, sometimes it's that strong I've hit driver then pw on par 5's. And the corse set up doesn't take into account for the high winds.
    Knee deep rough not far from the edge of the fairway, rock hard fairways making them play narrow. Rock hard greens, impossible to hold them with the wind behind.
    And the worst conditioned bunkers known to man.

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    Re: Is CSS flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Val View Post
    So he used the system, why is he complaining?
    He isn't.
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    Re: Is CSS flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Foxholer View Post
    Rubbish!!

    Sure, you need to play 2 under Par to get a cut, but that's NOT 2 under your handicap!

    And there's certainly likely to be at least 1 who has 'one of those' rounds! Btw. (Nett) 64 is not 42 points!
    Youve not read the whole thread have you? this has been discussed and im aware of this now, but thanks for reiterating the point. I never said 64 was 42 points. You have assumed i meant this, they were two random figures.
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