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    Re: Us pga black out

    Quote Originally Posted by r0wly86 View Post
    I'm not the biggest SKY fan, not because the coverage is bad, on the contrary but as LP has said it's behind a pay wall which I believe is a hindrance to the sport in general. Just a couple of anecdotes to add to this:

    The thing that got be hooked onto golf was as a 9 year old watching the 1996 Masters. Watching Faldo win in an unbelievable last round sticks with me to this day, no doubt that was formative in my golf obsession. Had that been on SKY, my dad refuses to give Murdoch any money, then I wouldn't have seen it and who knows whether I would be playing golf now.

    Secondly is cricket, I help run a small village cricket club, who are really struggling to recruit players. We contacted other local teams, they are really struggling too. So we contacted the county for help they said it's a national issue. Now in 2005 when we won the Ashes in that amazing series cricket was huge and participation was the highest in decades. It then went to SKY and despite in that time England having great success winning the T20 world cup, being the world number 1 test, ODI and T20 team, very few people could recognise the team. Because it's behind a paywall cricket is no longer in the national consciousness which has a massive impact on getting people to play the sport.

    Obviously golf is a bit different but being behind a pay wall is never going to grow the game.

    My firm belief that satellite TV will become less important as the internet and Smart devices take over. Yes satellite and SKY changed the game but technological evolution stops for no company and the rise of Netflix and Amazon Prime is a good example, this is the future of TV and viewing habits.

    I am surprised nothing has been said about Amazon taking the rights, they are known to have ambitions of broadcasting sport, they have the money to put in competitive bids. Netflix have over 8 million subscribers already and only charge £6 p/m 1/3 the cost of getting Sky Sports Golf plus you get all of their other content
    It's all well and good saying that Netflix is 1/3 of the cost of sky sports, but if they were to get into the live sports business, there's no way its going to stay at the same price. Why would they pay millions and keep the pricing the same. Yeah they will get more subscribers but at £6 a month they would need to get a hell of a lot to recoup the money.
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    Re: Us pga black out

    Quote Originally Posted by r0wly86 View Post
    I will bow to your knowledge on the matter, but my understanding was that Netflix were borrowing huge sums of money to increase their original programming and to keep growing in a relatively new market. Not so much a loss leader in the traditional sense but a company that knows it's a market leader in a growth market so is mortgaging everything to stay there. But you are the expert so if you say differently I won't argue.
    Netflix this year will spend more money than any studio on movies and series production. The amount is around $13bn. Netflix will lose around $4bn in 2018 and never made any cash in the last six. Actually, the cash losses are getting bigger as they expand. Netflix is indeed borrowing money to make up for these losses.

    How will Netflix ever get to positive cash? The idea is that it will gain more users (very probable), won't need to increase production costs massively (less likely) and it will need to increase prices. Note that you need all of the three to make Netflix work as a business. Where I have problems and where I think the Netflix business model will ultimately crumble is production costs and subscription costs. Netflix needs to spend a lot on content just to convince you that you're getting value for you money. Most content is crap, hits are hard to plan, you have (increasing) competition from studios which will only push content costs up. On subscriptions, people love Netflix now because it's soooo cheap - the value for money is incredibly high. But to make a profit, Netflix will probably need to hike prices to around £30/month. At which point, the value-for-money proposition looks a lot worse.

    Indeed, Netflix today is too good to be true.

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    Re: Us pga black out

    Quote Originally Posted by road2ruin View Post
    So, over the years, to ensure the consumer got more choice what they've actually done is price a lot of people out of the market. I got rid of Sky, mainly due to the fact that with a young family I just don't get to watch it as much as I used to. I now pay £75.00 per year and get access to every sport imaginable (in HD) yet still the big companies wonder why more and more people are being pushed down this route.
    Can I ask where you manage to pay £75 pa and get access to all the sport-esp if that includes the golf. I had previously accessed all via Sky go but unfortunately this option will soon disappear so looking for alternative ways to view the golf

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarke_111 View Post
    Can I ask where you manage to pay £75 pa and get access to all the sport-esp if that includes the golf. I had previously accessed all via Sky go but unfortunately this option will soon disappear so looking for alternative ways to view the golf
    I'm interested as well.

    I currently get Sky Sports through NowTV at £34 a month (no option for single sport and I only watch golf).
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    Re: Us pga black out

    It will be to one of the illegal stream sites which over the years will be get closed and some people prosecuted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garush34 View Post
    It's all well and good saying that Netflix is 1/3 of the cost of sky sports, but if they were to get into the live sports business, there's no way its going to stay at the same price. Why would they pay millions and keep the pricing the same. Yeah they will get more subscribers but at £6 a month they would need to get a hell of a lot to recoup the money.
    I wouldn't think that the subs would stay the same. The advantage of streaming over satellite is that infrastructure is cheaper and customising is easier. Netflix or Amazon could much more easily produce a separate subscription for sport at a lower price. Not having to fill the calendar with second rate events or reruns or analysis that hardly anyone watches outside of tournaments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpoolphil View Post
    It will be to one of the illegal stream sites which over the years will be get closed and some people prosecuted
    Ah Ok, definitely not interested in anything illegal.
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    Re: Us pga black out

    Quote Originally Posted by moogie View Post
    There's some right pish wrote on here
    How much coverage did golf used to get on terrestrial TV then??
    Take away majors , or the old benson & hedges or whatever it was, then I'd say next to zilch

    Sky has brought golf and golf coverage to a different level
    It's been great for the game
    ( unlike what has happened to football )
    To get European tour and us tour events every week is fantastic

    If you want it
    Pay for it
    If you don't
    Just shut up and don't whinge
    It ain't coming back to the BBC anytime soon
    They've no interest
    I'm another who agrees with you.

    Sky has invested way more than the Beeb would dream of committing. I can watch golf on Sky anytime I wish and record a wide range on their dedicated channel. They cover and support a wide range of golf competitions.

    If you think the bit by bit coverage you'd get from a terrestrial channel/internet based system would be good for the sport i'm afraid you're in dream land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road2ruin View Post
    I completely agree with this.

    Once upon a time I had a Sky subscription. It was fairly expensive but I'd be able to watch all the football I could ever want. Then one day someone said it was bad for the consumer if just one company could monopolise the market and to give people choice they'd ensure that other companies a slice of the action. So, BT Sport took some of the football, Sky's prices didn't drop and if I wanted to watch the same amount of football I'd have to get another subscription and my monthly costs would shoot up. Fast forward another few years and it now looks like Amazon will get in on the action which means if I want to watch the games that they get i'll have to paid for the privilege.

    So, over the years, to ensure the consumer got more choice what they've actually done is price a lot of people out of the market. I got rid of Sky, mainly due to the fact that with a young family I just don't get to watch it as much as I used to. I now pay £75.00 per year and get access to every sport imaginable (in HD) yet still the big companies wonder why more and more people are being pushed down this route.
    A bit off topic I don't remember it working like that though

    When there was only one (Sky) wasn't it something like 72 games a season live on sky each season

    Then Sky launched a second service (separate to the sports pack with something like 24 games a season (a premier league season ticket they called it) so you had to pay twice but then got 96 games or you could choose just the season ticket and get a live game most weeks (they even sold them as individual games for like £8ea)

    That lasted a year or so then the season ticket got pulled into the sky pack and more games were made available (something like 140 a season and was split between two broadcasters) So that 'all the football you could ever want' number was just 72 games but now you paid two subscriptions but for twice that many games

    With a total pot of 380 games a season it was the Premier League themselves that kept increasing the amount of live games they sold under each new contract as more broadcasters got into it

    Now we'll have 2 or even 3 broadcasters showing around 200 live EPL games a season and you'll need subscriptions to all of them to see it all (but that's more than three times 'all the football you could ever want' remember)

    And every year the prices went up

    So instead of spending 4 hours a week watching 'all' the live football, now it would need 10-12 hours (just for the EPL)
    So either you change your life to watch more (just because its on) or you still watch about 4 hours but are paying for three times that (or somewhere in the middle)
    Either way it could be argued there is too much live EPL football so you don't need to pay for it all, just the amount you want

    Problem is that many fans now expect to see their team live on tv dam near every single week (and that will be spread over all broadcasters hence the three subscriptions) Whereas 'football' fans used to be satisfied with a live game from the league now its got to be their own team home or away. If the punter wants more the punter has to pay more

    Getting back to your points:
    • Setanta & BT sport didn’t take some of the football, the premier league just made more available to buy
    • Because sky didn’t lose any of their football they didn’t drop their price either
    • And as I say you might believe you only watch the same amount of football but you bought a lot more of it




    To get back kinda on topic, if they split the PGA Tour & European Tour over two broadcasters then on paper it would be great, just pay for what you want and it'll be cheaper but in reality the punter will very soon want to see both...

    So 'Once upon a time' is a nice fairytale but that's all it really is
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    Re: Us pga black out

    Too late to edit previous post but I pay for well in excess of 1,000 live games a season… more than one thousand! All we wanted was a game or two each week wasn’t it?

    Wanna know how many I sat & watched start to finish last season? nada, zip. Like most my time in front of the tv for sport viewing is limited & for me it’s mostly taken up by golf

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