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  1. #191
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    Re: Anyone else fed up with matchplay comps against guys with hugh handicaps?

    Quote Originally Posted by HughJars View Post
    ...that, plus an exhaustive study by the SGU as quoted earlier
    Its generally accepted handicaps aren't equal. If they were we would only have one division for strokeplays, many clubs have 3 divisions. I don't hear anyone at my club saying why have we got 3 divisions when we only need 1. People are happy with 3 and think its fairer.

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    Re: Anyone else fed up with matchplay comps against guys with hugh handicaps?

    If you keep losing, maybe you need to approach your HC sec for a review and request an increase.
    The biggest HC whinger at my place is off 12, and he is hopeless. Sh@nks it from anywhere and can't get out of bunkers. Clearly playing off too LOW a handicap.

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    Re: Anyone else fed up with matchplay comps against guys with hugh handicaps?

    Quote Originally Posted by scubascuba3 View Post
    Its generally accepted handicaps aren't equal. If they were we would only have one division for strokeplays, many clubs have 3 divisions. I don't hear anyone at my club saying why have we got 3 divisions when we only need 1. People are happy with 3 and think its fairer.
    Generally accepted where?

    Of the six clubs I've been a member of, only my current club had separate divisions for its strokeplay events, something which was stopped c.20 years ago.

    You may be right it's fairer though, because as studies show, low handicappers hoover up a bigger share of the prizes.

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    Re: Anyone else fed up with matchplay comps against guys with hugh handicaps?

    Personally I couldn't care less if I win, loose or draw, I'm really not that bothered (heck I even pay for the pleasure of getting busted) as it's all about the taking part for me...

    I play off 21.1 and can guarantee that I'm gonna get my arse handed to me on a plate 99.9% of the time but who cares 'really' who gives a toss, not me as I just enjoy playing with different people, if it was done so that people would only play against similar handicaps then I'd spend an awful lot of time just wandering aimlessly around on my own in which case I wouldn't bother playing at all...

    EVERYBODY has/had to start somewhere and 'some' lower handicappers (not all though) need to learn to be a bit more tolerant...
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    Re: Anyone else fed up with matchplay comps against guys with hugh handicaps?

    Looking at just a handicap doesnt truly reflect the player i find.

    I'm a 13 handicapper, but most weeks i will be 8,9,10 over after 5 holes and then generally play the next 13 low enough to at at least as a minimum buffer. (Even then there is a least one double thrown in)

    Not great for strokeplay comps but in match play thats 13 holes i have a chance to win a holes. If i manage to play a couple of the opening holes to bogey i am in with good chance of winning.

    I also find i shoot lower in matchplay than strokeplay as i am playing the opponent not the course.

    Its just a mindset thing. (I could also just learn how to play the first 5 holes though).

    Saying all that i still got cuffed by a lower handicap player in the opening round of our summer singles.
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    Re: Anyone else fed up with matchplay comps against guys with hugh handicaps?

    20 pages and still going, haven't we concluded yet that matchplay draws should be taken and the winner automatically is the one with the lowest handicap. Would save a lot of hassle with arranging matches, having to socialise with people of a different golfing standard and the winner would be the true champion. Personally I wouldn't even restrict it to the membership and instead have all players in the world. DJ* will be ecstatic when he hears about all the comps he's won this year (*assumes as number 1 golfer he's given a handicap that backs that).

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    Re: Anyone else fed up with matchplay comps against guys with hugh handicaps?

    Spoke to a few good players in the bar. They don't give a stuff and enter every matchplay with the intention of doing as well as they can. Play well and they expect to beat an inconsistant mid/high handicapper. If they play poorly they usually have no qualms about losing on the day.

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    Re: Anyone else fed up with matchplay comps against guys with hugh handicaps?

    Quote Originally Posted by scubascuba3 View Post
    Its generally accepted handicaps aren't equal. If they were we would only have one division for strokeplays, many clubs have 3 divisions. I don't hear anyone at my club saying why have we got 3 divisions when we only need 1. People are happy with 3 and think its fairer.
    We have 1. When a new comp sec took over one of his first actions was to look at moving to 3...after long discussions with (mainly) the low handicappers he shelved the idea. They had no interest at all in playing comps amongst themselves.

    Divisions are a reasonable way to generate more 'winners' though.
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    Re: Anyone else fed up with matchplay comps against guys with hugh handicaps?

    Quote Originally Posted by duncan mackie View Post
    We have 1. When a new comp sec took over one of his first actions was to look at moving to 3...after long discussions with (mainly) the low handicappers he shelved the idea. They had no interest at all in playing comps amongst themselves.

    Divisions are a reasonable way to generate more 'winners' though.
    Before this year I would have been surprised with this, as I would have kind of agreed with the 'higher' handicappers always winning(wrongly I hasten to add).

    However this year I have tended to look at the results from the 3 divisions we have and the best score comes from any of the divisions, with maybe div 1 getting the best score more often on average.

    Division 1 for us is (upto 12 iirc and this weeks div 1 stableford was won by two 4/5 h'cappers with 43 points, tho one other div did have 44). I was also surprised from HDID that in the 2's comp it just isn't worth entering unless you are in div 1 handicaps, very few birdies are scored by div 3 and not many from div 2 either.

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    Re: Anyone else fed up with matchplay comps against guys with hugh handicaps?

    This discussion has sort of moved away from my original reply about match-play and handicaps, so I just wanted to affirm my position regarding tolerance of high-handicappers, and that I am one of THE most tolerant golfers around, just as others were with me when I first started 20 years ago
    My handicap fell rapidly until found my level, as I have been off 9 for around 15 years now only recently having had the breakthrough to get down to 8. I love to play with different people of any handicaps - that's why I enjoy 'opens' etc.

    I also used to be a Junior Organiser and pushed our club to put in junior tees, and adopt 54 as starting point for them. As they progressed they worked towards 28 and again I pushed our club to accept them into club comps. no matter what age they were (we had a 9 year old off 28 at one point!). I would play with them to encourage them and so on, and I have always had the same attitude with all adult golfers, no matter what handicap, whether man, woman or junior. Playing with high handicaps doesn't trouble me, in fact, one of the slowest ever rounds was also one of my best, when I shot +5, with a 23 handicap who shot +43 and a 27 handicapper who shot +53. I often had 10 minutes between my shots and the whole round took 5 and half hours.

    So my issue with handicaps is with the dishonest players amongst us who obviously protect handicaps in order to win prizes here there and everywhere ; it needs stamping out somehow else I think it could ruin this wonderful game.
    Golf is all about honesty and integrity - so there is my issue I'm afraid - the lack of both of these traits in many golfers these days.
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