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    Re: Happy St Totteringham Day - NOT

    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    But go on to what though Phil? In terms of being the best in the EPL, that's Chelsea. As well as the pace of Spurs they have stronger, harder players. Spurs occasionally go missing when the kicking starts, probably best seen when Chelsea kicked them off their stride with a few games to go last season.

    They're better but not the finished article in terms of being able to cope with hard teams. That will make the games in the CL next season tough again. But in terms of being good on the eye, I prefer to watch Spurs over Chelsea.

    If their ethos has changed, and they're looking not to sell their star players, I can see them being a winning team for a few seasons. Comfortably second ahead of City's aging squad.

    As to will they ever be more than a team with potential; I don't even think that's a valid question. They are already a top team in the EPL. Will they ever be a Barca or R. Madrid? I don't think any team in the EPL is close to that at present. As to whatever teams did even 3 seasons ago, that's history and pointless. Its about what you're going to win now and next season, not what you did 2-3 seasons ago.
    Surely it's going on to win the title - that's the next level and previous seasons can help paint a picture - is it just going to be a couple of good season for Spurs then and then back to a 6th to 10th team ? Are they going to be Year on Year challengers to the title and win it every now and then ?

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    Re: Happy St Totteringham Day - NOT

    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpoolphil View Post
    Having a bigger stadium will no doubt help bring in more revenue and will help the club spend a bit more on wages and fees but unless there is also trophies with it then the club will struggle to attract those big players and also keep hold of the big players. Without CL football then clubs really will struggle to keep and get the decent players , unless you're willing to spend way above the odds or rely on pedigree of past decade ( Man Utd ) for example.

    If a club has CL but doesn't take that next step forward then they will get decent players but the Crown Jewels will want to win trophies ( take Arsenal for example ) , then you have the teams that win the titles and get to the semi's or finals of CL , they attract the best players ( Chelsea , City )

    So right now Spurs are prob at a very crucial stage - what happens over the next 12 months will be massive for them - will they become another Arsenal , nice big shiney stadium , some quality players , regular CL football but just failing to take the step forward to win something. Or will they use the experience of the last two years and move up the step and win the title and progress in the CL ? When we had Rafa we reached the same sort of stage but couldn't go forward to actually win the title and then through various reason faded away. Spurs will probably lose one of their big players this summer how they react to that and playing in Wembley will be key to the players being recruited
    Is it bitterness that you don't like to see other teams on the rise?

    Why will Spurs probably lose one of their players this summer?

    You said in previous posts Spurs had reached their level, why in this post are you questioning that?

    Every point you raised can be levied against any Club outside of Chelsea, Utd and City are you suggesting everyone else gives up?

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    I think it's more to do with the fact that every year they've got remotely close the big boys have come and taken their best player. Alonso the first time and Suarez the second. The players have wanted to better themselves and if that happens to the mighty Liverpool then it must happen to everyone else. its completely incorrect in this instance though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross61 View Post
    I can't disagree with too much of your post, but as you say, it depends what happens in the next 2-3 seasons at least.
    The thing is we could not get to the next stage without doing what we have achieved so far. so with a skilled, motivated and young squad that appear to be unified, I see a bright future.
    As far as Arsenal are concerned they have failed to even try to move forward. Same as in any sport, if your goal is just to get in the top 4 and no more, that is all you will ever do.
    Hang on a sec, Arsenal have been financially hamstrung for years whilst important investment went into the new stadium and training facilities. Don't confuse that with lack of ambition or trying as you put it.

    Arsenal's spending both capex and opex is increasing year on year. I am expecting even higher sums to be spent this Summer , this was the whole point of moving to a new ground. Spurs are following the same path (and fair play to them) but unless you choose the Man City-Chelsea fastrack finance model you should expect more seasons of not winning pots in the short term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpoolphil View Post
    is it just going to be a couple of good season for Spurs then and then back to a 6th to 10th team ?
    You've got to go back 9 years to find them outside of the top 6, so that's hardly just a 'couple of good seasons' in my book, and believe me, that hurts to back them up

    They've been sniffing at the backdoor for a while, and now they've broke into the top 4 two seasons back to back, and knowing what that will yield them revenue wise with better sponsorship, commercial and TV deals etc, Levy won't sell his stars IMO, he'll build around them and I can see them, unfortunately, being in the mix for many a season to come

    Not the best team in London though

    2016/17 - 2nd
    2015/16 - 3rd
    2014/15 - 5th
    2013/14 - 6th
    2012/13 - 5th
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    2008/09 - 8th
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    Re: Happy St Totteringham Day - NOT

    Quote Originally Posted by sawtooth View Post
    Hang on a sec, Arsenal have been financially hamstrung for years whilst important investment went into the new stadium and training facilities. Don't confuse that with lack of ambition or trying as you put it.

    Arsenal's spending both capex and opex is increasing year on year. I am expecting even higher sums to be spent this Summer , this was the whole point of moving to a new ground. Spurs are following the same path (and fair play to them) but unless you choose the Man City-Chelsea fastrack finance model you should expect more seasons of not winning pots in the short term.
    That was supposed to happen this summer, and there was no reason, other than Wenger himself, that it didn't!
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    Arsene doesn't seem to be able to see the oblivious flaws in your squad. I don't think it's a lack of investment or a lack of ambition, more so a man who's so short sighted and arrogant he thinks he knows best. He seems to have lost the ability to pick. A player in the transfer market. Other than Sanchez who's actually improved the side dramatically?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    That was supposed to happen this summer, and there was no reason, other than Wenger himself, that it didn't!
    Arsenal did spend a lot of money in the transfer window this year, they just didn't spend it very well. They must have spent £80-90m

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    Re: Happy St Totteringham Day - NOT

    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpoolphil View Post
    Surely it's going on to win the title - that's the next level and previous seasons can help paint a picture - is it just going to be a couple of good season for Spurs then and then back to a 6th to 10th team ? Are they going to be Year on Year challengers to the title and win it every now and then ?
    Previous seasons include players that aren't there, managers that aren't there, players who were immature and players who were over the hill. The badge is the same and, as you say, it will be about the club's intentions going forward. To a large extent the past becomes irrelevant if a club changes its operating model, as Chelsea and City have.

    Top 4, akin to Arsenal of old, is pretty much as good as you'll get domestically apart from a title. Do a few seasons of that and you're a top club. Win a CL as well and that is a breakthrough at an international level.

    As for the EPL of today, there's only two top clubs in my eyes, Chelsea and City. The rest are either on the wane, Arsenal and Utd, or becoming interesting, Spurs and Liverpool.
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    Re: Happy St Totteringham Day - NOT

    Quote Originally Posted by BristolMike View Post
    Arsenal did spend a lot of money in the transfer window this year, they just didn't spend it very well. They must have spent £80-90m
    Yes but it's increasingly difficult to compete for the best players (and keeping what you already have). It seems like every player we are interested in so are the Chelsea's, Uniteds and Cities ,. quite confident that Greizmann, Lacazette, Mbappe , etc will move this year but it won't be to us.

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