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    Re: Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

    Quote Originally Posted by SwingsitlikeHogan View Post
    There is one thing that will create a place for Theresa May in the pantheon of brave and honest Prime Ministers.

    She needs to schedule a broadcast to the nation - on which she explains that Brexit is a complete and utter mess and that it cannot proceed. She needs to explain clearly to the electorate why there is no deal that will see the UK other than very much worse off and with much diminished European and Global influence.

    She must make it absolutely clear why a No Deal Brexit - which would see us crash out of the EU on 29th March 2019 without a transition to WTO and all that that entails - would be disastrous for the UK economy, jobs and businesses relying upon significant Imports/Exports.

    She has to be honest to the UK electorate - and she has to make this statement with the support of her cabinet - with her cabinet by her side.

    I suspect that May knows all of this - but at the moment she is trying to solve an unsolvable conundrum, an unsolvable riddle, without making the admission that Brexit is not achievable without significant and long Lasting damage to the UK, and that she and her cabinet will not be responsible for that happening.
    Last week Mark Carney, Gov to the Bank of England, admitted he had got the Brexit predictions very wrong. I have admired Carney for quite a while. He is very much on top of his brief. If an expert like him can get it wrong, with all the resources at his disposal, pray tell how you believe you have the facts that lead you to your conclusions.

    Lets be honest here, you donít have a clue if youíre right or wrong. You absolutely believe what certain experts are telling you. Just think back on some of the experts that have said it will be a disaster, and that the economy will totally tank even before Brexit day. They have been proven wrong.

    Is it even remotely possible for you to acknowledge that you could be wrong? Are you open minded or is it blind faith in the propaganda you have been fed. You lauded the experts, like Carney and Osbourne, and your faith has been proven to be ill founded.
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    Re: Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    Last week Mark Carney, Gov to the Bank of England, admitted he had got the Brexit predictions very wrong. I have admired Carney for quite a while. He is very much on top of his brief. If an expert like him can get it wrong, with all the resources at his disposal, pray tell how you believe you have the facts that lead you to your conclusions.

    Lets be honest here, you donít have a clue if youíre right or wrong. You absolutely believe what certain experts are telling you. Just think back on some of the experts that have said it will be a disaster, and that the economy will totally tank even before Brexit day. They have been proven wrong.

    Is it even remotely possible for you to acknowledge that you could be wrong? Are you open minded or is it blind faith in the propaganda you have been fed. You lauded the experts, like Carney and Osbourne, and your faith has been proven to be ill founded.
    A couple of years ago you used to endlessly quote GDP and Greece/Ireland etc when it came to the British economy....funny how you have gone all quiet on it now.
    The same question you are asking Hogan could also be asked of you.

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    Re: Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Doon frae Troon View Post
    A couple of years ago you used to endlessly quote GDP and Greece/Ireland etc when it came to the British economy....funny how you have gone all quiet on it now.
    The same question you are asking Hogan could also be asked of you.
    Why is it funny? Iím not deliberately avoiding GDP. The Bank of England has revised the last 2 GDP predictions up. Employment is at its highest levels since 1974, and thatís on the back of an ever increasing population. Manufacturing is at its highest levels since 2008. Tax revenues are at their highest levels in 4 years, with the oil industry paying taxes for the first time in 3 years. The UKís economy dipped from 5th in the world to 7th, and is now at 6th.

    For all that, I expect the economy will blip after Brexit as new trading mechanisms are brought in.

    But as youíre asking the questions perhaps you would like to acknowledge that several leading experts, like the Gov of the Bank of England, have got it wrong with their doom and gloom predictions. And that if they can get it wrong, how accurate are us armchair experts?
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    Doon hasn't been tracking Youth Unemployment in those places either............ how bad would those figures be if the more proactive ones hadn't moved to London!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanM View Post
    Doon hasn't been tracking Youth Unemployment in those places either............ how bad would those figures be if the more proactive ones hadn't moved to London!
    I have however been tracking GDP to find that the UK is bottom of the list of EU countries.
    Nice bit of avoidance there......GDP to youth unemployment.....some leap.

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    Re: Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    Last week Mark Carney, Gov to the Bank of England, admitted he had got the Brexit predictions very wrong. I have admired Carney for quite a while. He is very much on top of his brief. If an expert like him can get it wrong, with all the resources at his disposal, pray tell how you believe you have the facts that lead you to your conclusions.

    Lets be honest here, you donít have a clue if youíre right or wrong. You absolutely believe what certain experts are telling you. Just think back on some of the experts that have said it will be a disaster, and that the economy will totally tank even before Brexit day. They have been proven wrong.

    Is it even remotely possible for you to acknowledge that you could be wrong? Are you open minded or is it blind faith in the propaganda you have been fed. You lauded the experts, like Carney and Osbourne, and your faith has been proven to be ill founded.
    I simply do not have any evidence that tells me that we WILL be BETTER off from leaving the EU - given that the £350m a week will be swallowed up keeping things as close to as they are today.

    My position is simply based upon 'better the devil I know than the devil I don't'. No matter how uncertain the UK's economic future in the EU might be - at least we can control or at least influence that (as we have done very successfully for decades) - and I suggest that our economic future in the EU is a lot more certain that our future out of the EU.

    Add to that I am convinced that immigration is far more toxic and of critical importance to many leave votes than many would care to admit. And when access to services does not improve after leaving unless significant additional funding is ploughed in - and the pop cannot reduce as EU27 citizens already here will not depart the UK in great numbers - then the blame will be laid at their door. And that will not be good.

    In fact my worries for the UK are less economic - the UK will find a new economic level whatever that is - rather my worries are more in respect of future social stability when things don't improve - indeed when economic issues make them worse.
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    Re: Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Doon frae Troon View Post
    I have however been tracking GDP to find that the UK is bottom of the list of EU countries.
    Nice bit of avoidance there......GDP to youth unemployment.....some leap.
    No Google in your house then? Bottom eh?

    List of nominal GDP for European countries in billion USD

    1st Germany 3,684.816
    2nd United Kingdom 2,624.529
    3rd France 2,583.560
    4th Italy 1,937.8


    and if you don't understand that, you won't understand the link to Youth Unemployment....
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    Re: Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

    Quote Originally Posted by IanM View Post
    No Google in your house then? Bottom eh?

    List of nominal GDP for European countries in billion USD

    1st Germany 3,684.816
    2nd United Kingdom 2,624.529
    3rd France 2,583.560
    4th Italy 1,937.8


    and if you don't understand that, you won't understand the link to Youth Unemployment....
    I suspect he's talking about GDP growth. Not that I want to support his views...
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    Re: Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

    OK - GDP growth..... a numerical rise or fall in GDP in Lithuania represents much larger percentage change than similar in Germany, France or the UK.

    See where this is going?
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    Re: Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

    Quote Originally Posted by SwingsitlikeHogan View Post
    There is one thing that will create a place for Theresa May in the pantheon of brave and honest Prime Ministers.

    She needs to schedule a broadcast to the nation - on which she explains that Brexit is a complete and utter mess and that it cannot proceed. She needs to explain clearly to the electorate why there is no deal that will see the UK other than very much worse off and with much diminished European and Global influence.

    She must make it absolutely clear why a No Deal Brexit - which would see us crash out of the EU on 29th March 2019 without a transition to WTO and all that that entails - would be disastrous for the UK economy, jobs and businesses relying upon significant Imports/Exports.

    She has to be honest to the UK electorate - and she has to make this statement with the support of her cabinet - with her cabinet by her side.

    I suspect that May knows all of this - but at the moment she is trying to solve an unsolvable conundrum, an unsolvable riddle, without making the admission that Brexit is not achievable without significant and long Lasting damage to the UK, and that she and her cabinet will not be responsible for that happening.
    Sorry, but most of the above is absolute twaddle!

    IMO, only the last paragraph is anywhere near correct - and even then is what 'the electorate' voted for, so she's stuck with it! It's all about mitigation and compromise, something the EU is traditionally very poor at imo - though it shouldn't be!
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