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    Re: Article 50

    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    I first came across zero hours contracts in Germany, long before they made it to these shores.... so yes, the EU did bring us zero hours contracts.
    Gernany is not the EU and Germany has moved away from ZHCs.
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    Re: Article 50

    I might not disagree with you - but am not sure that in the scheme of things leaving the EU will help matters for the poor and less well off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxfli65 View Post
    Gernany is not the EU and Germany has moved away from ZHCs.
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    Germany also has strong works councils in many areas - and these protect the rights of the worker very vigorously (and in my limited experience very rigidly)
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    Re: Article 50

    Quote Originally Posted by maxfli65 View Post
    Gernany is not the EU and Germany has moved away from ZHCs.
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    Hair splitting... 11 out of 28 has zero hours contracts. Germany is one of many EU countries that allows zero hours contracts, and they have always been heavily governed via their workers councils since day 1. Manufacturing in Germany uses them for peaks/troughs in production, and there's little sign of that changing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwingsitlikeHogan View Post
    but am not sure that in the scheme of things leaving the EU will help matters for the poor and less well off.

    Who could wholeheartedly say remaining would see an upswing in the fortunes of 'the poor and less well off'...

    All I could see was them continuing to sign deals that were good for business but poor for 'the people'...
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    Re: Article 50

    Quote Originally Posted by maxfli65 View Post
    Gernany is not the EU

    Rightly or wrongly many, throughout the EU, see it as they are...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaSteve View Post
    Who could wholeheartedly say remaining would see an upswing in the fortunes of 'the poor and less well off'...

    All I could see was them continuing to sign deals that were good for business but poor for 'the people'...
    And out of the EU? - UK business will act differently? When in order to win the business the UK needs to build a new trading base against lower cost countries - wages, and workers conditions and rights become secondary to winning the business. Maybe not,
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaSteve View Post
    Rightly or wrongly many, throughout the EU, see it as they are...
    Who thinks of Germany as being the EU? Is there any evidence of this? Certainly one of the main paymasters and therefore holding many of the trump cards, and the most important member after the UK. A position of influence that we are giving up because we think it costs too much - when I suspect most don't fully understand and value the influence that we actually have? We pretty much had the best of both worlds with our current status - and we are giving that up to have the best of our own world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwingsitlikeHogan View Post
    Who thinks of Germany as being the EU?
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    Is there any evidence of this?
    And, I did say rightly or wrongly...
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    Re: Article 50

    Quote Originally Posted by MegaSteve View Post
    Lots...




    And, I did say rightly or wrongly...

    Great speech by the Polish PM last week pretty much saying exactly that! And anyone tuning in to the Hungarian PM would hear this daily.....
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